 Posted Monday, October 30, 2006 3:33 PM
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Moving a discussion from another thread to here where it can be discussed more appropriately away from the original context:
Erol to Do Go Be Man - October 30, 2006 4:58:57 PM:
Do Go,
Well, I guess whether a response is encouraging or respectful is a matter of opinion, to some extent. I would have thought a person might be encouraged to know that the problem was with the human implementation of CS, not with its essence. But as I said, I won't hang in on a discussion where I'm not welcome.
Erol
Do Go Be Man to Erol - October 30, 2006 11:32:10 AM
Erol,
This is not a matter of censorship, just good taste and compassion. In many of the forums, we get right down to frankness and "brass tacks". Your response to Polarbear regarding brainwashing in this case was disrespectful and specifically not requested.
If you want to generically discuss parent-child domination, reality-resistant mind-set, and problems of the relationship between CS practice and conventional health care, pick an appropriate forum and demonstrate the proper respect for other contributors.
Do Go Be Man
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Erol to Linda - October 30, 2006 10:35:07 AM
Well, you're the moderator, but I'm a bit surprised at this message. (Particularly as I've been allowed my say elsewhere on the board, which I appreciate.) There are issues of parent-child domination that might have been explored, that occur in any religious tradition; the question why people with a particular kind of reality-resistant mind-set seem to be attracted to CS; the undoubted problems of the relationship between CS practice and conventional health care, etc. If debate is closed off on these issues, they won't get properly discussed.
BTW, there are no "leaders" in the CS movement.
OK, I won't post again on this part of the board. If I do it's a mistake, so just delete it.
Erol
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Posted Monday, October 30, 2006 3:52 PM
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Erol,
I moved this issue here from the Recovery thread as it was inappropriate to continue the discussion there. In fact, in my opinion, it was rude, showed a general lack of compassion, and certainly demonstrated a lack of understanding of what many formers CSists have gone through and continue to experience.
You are welcome to contribute appropriately, but please respect requests such as was made for you not to interject unless you had something encouraging to offer.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:25 AM
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Do Go,
Well I disagree that my post was rude or lacking in compassion, or lacking in encouragement, but I guess we can agree to differ.
It's certainly an eye-opener for me to read what many former "CSists" have gone through and continue to experience. It makes it more clear to me what the institutional distortions of CS have been.
BTW, if I chose to, I could give some examples from my own experiences of a "conventional" Christian upbringing, and that of many of my contemporaries, that would make the stuff on this message board seem fairly tame.
Erol
Do_Go_Be_Man (10/30/2006)
Erol,
I moved this issue here from the Recovery thread as it was inappropriate to continue the discussion there. In fact, in my opinion, it was rude, showed a general lack of compassion, and certainly demonstrated a lack of understanding of what many formers CSists have gone through and continue to experience.
You are welcome to contribute appropriately, but please respect requests such as was made for you not to interject unless you had something encouraging to offer.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:03 AM
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Erol,
Well I disagree that my post was rude or lacking in compassion, or lacking in encouragement, but I guess we can agree to differ.
I suppose then I must give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not understand how inflammatory offering a CS perspective can be when it was clear it was not wanted.
It's certainly an eye-opener for me to read what many former "CSists" have gone through and continue to experience. It makes it more clear to me what the institutional distortions of CS have been.
I forget how long you have been in CS. You have said that you are somewhat isolated from the CS community. You may have noticed in many of my posts that I make a distinction between the teachings of CS and the abusive practices of those teachings.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. - Matthew 7:15-20
The fruits by which I have come to know CS are arrogance, lack of compassion, denial of God's teachings and His provision for us to be with Him, children and adults dead from simple disorders, etc.
BTW, if I chose to, I could give some examples from my own experiences of a "conventional" Christian upbringing, and that of many of my contemporaries, that would make the stuff on this message board seem fairly tame.
I have no doubt that you and many other people had their difficulties with "conventional" Christianity. "Christians" from several mainstream denominations presented such a poor witness to me as a CSist that I remained commited to CS until I understood concepts such as Social Christians and that Bible study is not necessarily part of the lives of such "Christians".
A difference here is that my experience and that of many on this forum represent mainstream CS. We were class-taught and acknowledged as following orthodox CS practice.
Do Go Be Man
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