Posted Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:11 PM
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I have a couple questions about what your beliefs are. On your site, you have comparisons of CS and the Bible. You believe in solely the Bible part correct? For example you believe that Heaven and Hell are places and that your actions choose where you go in your afterlife right? Also, what religion specifically do most of you guys believe in now?
A little bit about myself. I am a 15 year old Christian Scientist. I wouldn't consider myself a "full bred" Christian Scientist. I mean I do go to church almost every Sunday, but I still take medicine for whatever I need it for and so does my grandma who is the only other Christian Scientist in the family. Recently, I have been doubting some of the ideas of CS in general but I don't believe in worshiping a pope, taking bread and wine, baptizing, etc. I'm not entirely sure if CS is the right religion for me but I also don't think a lot of the other ones are either.
If anyone could please lead me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful.
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Posted Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 PM
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| Hi, Welcome to the forums! It's nice to have you here. Yes, the people who put the main Christian Way site together believe that, as originally written, the Bible is God's Word and is completely correct. With that said, some translations are more accurate than others. Not everyone who posts on these forums is a member of Christian Way or even a Christian, so we see a range of beliefs systems represented here. For example, we have had postings by agnostics, born again Christians, Christian Scientists, and others. Our Christian participants come from a variety of denominations including Presbyterian, Baptist, and Lutheran, to name a few. Personally, I do believe that heaven and hell are real places although I don't believe that "your actions choose where you go in your afterlife." If you'd like to discuss this further, I'd be happy to discuss it with you in the forum entitled Doctrinal and Bible Related Issues. We can also talk about things like communion and baptism there -- you might be surprised to hear that even Christians have some different opinions about what these sacraments mean. I'd love to continue discussing your questions. Even if you choose not to register with the forums (and you are welcome to do so), it would be helpful if you make up a name so we can keep track of which anonymous poster you are.
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Posted Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:30 PM
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| Anonymous July 1, 2007 @ 7:11:19 PM, Whether you choose to stay in CS or not, your questioning process is a great thing to do. Learning about the differences in denominations is something I wish I had done much sooner. Linda's right that these responses belong in a different thread, but I started answering before that occurred to me. If this goes further, we should as she suggested. I have a couple questions about what your beliefs are. The contributors to this forum represent several denominations and in some cases no denomination at all. I am a member of the Presbyterian Church in America. Most people think of the larger, more liberal Presbyterian Church (USA) when they think of Presbyterians. We've recently had some intense postings with disagreements on these topics. I can only speak to what I believe and what I believe God has revealed in His word. I may be right or wrong. You believe in solely the Bible part correct? The PCA is a traditional Presbyterian church that believes the Bible, in its original texts, to be God's in errant word. We are a Reform church following the Westminster Confession of Faith and generaly thought of as Calvinists. We do not accept the authority of human traditions. Those beliefs, however, are sometimes divisive with other Christian denominations that interpret the Bible otherwise. We are also often considered somewhat severe and radical in our Reform practices. I, of course, disagree with the severe image we have in some circles. For example you believe that Heaven and Hell are places and that your actions choose where you go in your afterlife right? This is another doctrinal point that differentiates denominations. I believe that Heaven and Hell are real places as described in the Scriptures. Others believe them to only be allegories. I do not believe that my actions determine my Eternal life. I believe that the Holy Spirit called me or others from our spiritual deaths to be the Elect. I am not capable of doing anything sufficient to warrant God choosing me for Heaven. For reasons known only to Him, He chooses those whom He forgives through the sacrifice He made in the death of Jesus Christ. Also, what religion specifically do most of you guys believe in now? Not an easy question to answer because I'd like to know that myself. We have Presbyterians (at least I think I'm not the only one), Lutherans, Catholics, Jews, agnostics, and maybe even an atheist or two. These forums and the Christian Way web site are hosted as an outreach ministry of Calvary Community Chapel of Phoenix. Denominations in this context, however, make little difference to me so long as we practice mutual respect and not make narrow claims of exclusivity. I only mention my denomination as a starting point. I truly encourage you to explore as many as interest you though also caution you there are some out there which follow the Bible even looser than CS. Recently, I have been doubting some of the ideas of CS in general but I don't believe in worshiping a pope, taking bread and wine, baptizing, etc. I'm not entirely sure if CS is the right religion for me but I also don't think a lot of the other ones are either. Depending on the method of counting, there are something like 20,000 to 30,000 Christian denominations with each professing their understanding of God as something more aligned with God than the others. We can't all be right. I'm convinced I am wrong on many things, I just don't know what they are. I'm most comfortable where I am as its the most consistent with God's word that I've experienced, but would not try to convince you the PCA is the only church that has the official franchise on Heaven or that another is disenfranchised. About half of Christian denominations do not acknowledge the Pope as the leader of the universal church. Most of us do, however, believe in taking Communion as The Lord's Supper. As a CSist, I too resisted that though that was due to my ignorance of its true meaning. Most of us also practice Baptism in some form though the mode, timing, and significance are topics of differentiation. If anyone could please lead me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful. According to my beliefs, not a one of us can lead you in the right direction though we are certainly willing to come along side you and provide whatever assistance God would have us provide. That probably sounds like some deep theological copout, but I pray that you are led in the right direction. I commend to you reading the Bible beyond that suggested by the CS Lesson-Sermon and without relying on MBE's interpretations. Do Go Be Man <><
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Posted Monday, July 02, 2007 7:37 AM
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Anonymous:
Thank you for your inquiry. Your post reminds me of where I was in many ways in my mid teens. I went to CS Sunday School, but my mother insisted on taking me for medical treatments, etc. (She was not CS). I also began to question CS (although in took a couple more years to completely break from it), as well as all religions. In particular, I questioned Christianity. Since I was always taught that not only was CS Christian, but the true Christianity, it was only natural that I would ask questions about the validity of the Bible, etc.
To make a long story short, in my early 20's I did something I would encourage you to think about-I read the New Testament cover to cover. Although I have a particular denominational affiliation, I think it's important to put the horse before the cart. Don't take anybody's word for what Christianity is at this point (however sincere or accurate). Read it for yourself. What Christ taught about himself, etc. is in the four Gospels, and how the early church applied his teachings is in the Epistles.
The one thing that may be difficult in doing the above is to read the Bible without the definitions that MBE has implanted in every CS heart through S&H. Take the Bible and it's English words at face value (i.e., use Webster's definitions for words like sin, atonement, etc.-not MBE's made up word rewrites you will find in her glossary).
In summary, I really think that going to the original source is the best way to determine what Christianity teaches.
Again, welcome, and best wishes in your search.
John
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Posted Monday, July 02, 2007 11:01 AM
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| Alright, thank you guys for your posts.
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:00 PM
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| Anonymous, Welcome. Your post raises many questions; to which Linda, Do Go & John have responded well. I was raised in CS as well & am now attending a non-denominational Christian fellowship. All I would add is to ask you to consider the source. MBE states that the Bible is her only source. If that be true, then she would have no qualm about your studying beyond the "cherry-picked" verses found in the weekly lessons. Read the whole chapter of a given verse to find the true context. For example, when I was in Sunday School as a youth, I remember the statement "God is Love" in bold letters upon the wall. In CS, much is built upon these three words. I found these words in 1John 4:8, but upon reading a little further, I found the context & definition of this "love" in verse 10: "In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us & sent His Son to be the offering for our sins." Verse 10 defines for us what God's love is, & it is different than the definition MBE assigns to it. Thousands of years ago, God gave us His Book as a gift; I don't believe we need a man, a woman, or another book (or "key") to define it for us. Only His Holy Spirit. Looking forward to further discussions. zoarean
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Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:35 PM
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| I agree whole heartedly with Zorean! I remember years ago when I started to notice that the blue chalk marks in my marked Bible lessons never really needed to change. If I didn't erase them from week to week, sure enough, in no time, the same passage was used! This went on for years! There was SO MUCH MORE in the Bible! The topics for the weekly lesson were so narrow and are the same topics for over 100 years now! Not to mention, some of them were kind of bizzare and many of the passages didn't seem to relate to the topic. I too, just decided to put down my "Key" and read the Bible alone, with GOD speaking to me. What I found was an incredible treasure and great peace. The inner struggle to deny matter and my existence as well as discovering that God was more than just a principle (remember the old mathmatics analogy) was suddenly lifted. All of the answers did not come immediately, but the more I study and live as Jesus instructed, not MBE, my life began to reflect the beautiful promises in the Bible. Jesus did not need a 19th century person to clarify or explain anything he did. However, he did warn that many would come in his name and counseled against false prophets. They will be known by their fruits. If you read this site and talk to many others willing to discuss the failures of CS, you will see that their fruits are few and far between. Too many of us have suffered the effects of watching loved ones suffer and die from medically treatable illnesses due to this religion. You are fortunate to begin your questioning at such a young age.
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