Anonymous post #14171, 11:01 AM, 11-25-07

I really resent the implication in another post by DGBM and Linda that Thanksgiving is celebrated only by Christians and then to read your implication that the Christians were in Concentration Camps. Do you not know what the Holocaust was all about? It was about Chrisitians who think that they have a secret knowledge and they have their own god and therefore they are superior to others. Therefore it was okay for a Christian to tell a nation that it is okay to kill heretics like the Jews. Fellow Christians had no problem taking this lie that the down fall of economic and social issues were the fault of the Jews; and spreading it across Europe. I had friends and friends of family who survived the Concentration Camps and they did so by always praising God and knowing that He will deliver them, because the Jews are God's chosen people. They know that no matter how many web sites and lies are told against them that God and God alone will deliver them. It is so obvious that the people at christianway think that people who do not think exactly like they do are idiots and I guess are not going to the Promise land. And yes I believe that Hitler was realated to Mary Baker and she is the real cause of the Nazi Party. I throw this in, because I know that if I don't say something bad about Christian Science that you will not publish my replies.

Do Go Be Man's post #14172, 11-25-07, 2:10 PM 

Anonymous Posted November 25, 2007 @ 1:01:33 PM,

If you want to go slogging through a swamp, I recommend you find a map or a guide. As co-moderator, I considered not approving your post and probably shouldn't have as it has nothing to do with the scope of these forums.

As a Christian who holds my Jewish roots in high respect, however, I feel compelled to respond. That does not mean that I intend to engage this topic further unless in response to private messages or e-mail (just remember, however, it's not possible to respond to a private message unless you posted it as a logged in, registered contributor).

Implying our Thanksgiving wishes were somehow anti-Semitic is quite a reach, as is your presumably saracastic assertion regarding the relationship of MBE and Hitler. Feel free to say anything positive about CS you care to contribute. Such comments would be within the scope of these forums along with the discussion such comments may generate.

Never Forget! You are not alone in knowing Survivors. The memory of my teachers' tattoos on their arms as they stretched to write on blackboards is forever seared in my mind. Sitting in a Miami Beach coffee shop at midnight  listening to a waitress tell her story burns my heart - "I knew Mengele", she said quietly as she began to tell of her personal hell and the loss of her family, witnessing the torture of her sister.

I am quite aware of what the Holocaust was about. It was about hate, greed, mental sickness of the worst sort, and the political need of the Nazis to gain power upon the backs and suffering of others. They indicted a whole race of people and those who otherwise failed to agree with their distorted standards.

Many deny or are ignorant of the truth of the Holocaust. Hitler killed more than 12 million including half of which were Jewish. His victims otherwise included a wide range such as Gypsies, Communists, homosexuals, the mentally challenged, and quite a few Christians such as priests, nuns, and likely some CSists.

I've mentioned from time to time on these forums my respect for Jews and how it was the positive witness of Jews more than the witness of Christians which led me to Jesus Christ. The Jews with whom I associated were not merely cultural Jews. They were committed, Orthodox Jews. Many of them were quite radical in their beliefs and practices (most were considered too radical for the Jewish Defense League, itself a more than moderately radical organization). Even the most radical of my friends never attributed the Holocaust to Christians. They, in fact, taught me about the other Holocaust so many deny.

First they came… (a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller)
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
(as inscribed at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)

Do Go Be Man
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Linda's, post #14173, 11-25-07, 3:32 PM

Anonymous,

Do Go Be Man was generous in allowing your post. Since he did, I'll make a few comments:

1) If you're going to make an accusation, please do us the courtesy of referencing the post to which you are referring. I have NO IDEA what post you're talking about. (I am also SURE that you misinterpreted what we were saying, but that's beside my point.)

2) If you're going to comment on a post, please do so in the thread in which the post is located. It's rude to break into another thread with a comment that is certainly off-topic.

3) Whatever insanity went on in Europe in the 1940's -- have you noticed that Christians who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible tend to SUPPORT Isreal? Every "Bible believing" Christian I know understands that Jesus was a Jew and recognizes that the Jews are God's chosen people. You can ignore that if you like and mistinterpret everything we say, but please pick your "Christians hate Jews" fights elsewhere -- they are based in fantasy and don't belong on these forums.