 Posted Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:12 PM
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Once again this will be off topic, but thanks to the Bible Gateway link, I have done some interesting comparisons. The Message is definately one to stay away from, very dramatic!
About the MBE Library for the Betterment of Humanity.....The structure is gorgeous but after spending time there, I got the feeling that it was promoting enlightened religious thinking of many different individuals. Why call a museum after an individual it doesn't even commemorate.
As for Longyear Museum, that should have been called the MBE museum, because that is primarily all if focuses on.
I've got to be careful about what I say about all these places because my parents are tightly knit as employees of these Mother Church ordained places.
Frogs25
Fully Relying On God for Salvation
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Posted Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:23 AM
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The Message is definately one to stay away from, very dramatic!
Frogs,
I purchased The Message about a year ago. My mother told me that lots of her CS friends had The Message and she had just bought one. I was so excited that they purchased a Bible not published by the CSPS! I ran out and bought one in hopes that I could begin to share some insite with her from this Bible. The first thing I did was to open the book to John 1:1. "The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one." And then John 1:14 - "The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood." Moved into the neighborhood??? I closed the book and only opened it up to quote this to you. Haven't heard any more from my mother about it, either.
Blessings,
Susan
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Posted Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:06 PM
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I left a previously solid church when
1) Fill-in-the-Blank sermon notes were provided. I later found out the outlines were from
2) Purpose-Driven-Life material out of Willowbank. Very popular stuff right now, but if you consume it, exercise GREAT caution!
3) The Message was the most frequently cited (mis-)translation. It's a paraphrase, by the way.
Linda came up with a great moniker for the MBE institute: "The MBE Library for the Detriment of Mankind"!!
Please keep in mind, Frgs, MBE was like L.Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, Sun Myung Moon, and so many others: charlatans at best, false prophets at worst.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:03 AM
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| Excuse me, but does anyone who has come to this sight even understand Christian Science? How could you when the BOD excommunicated John W. Doorly and others who were teaching SCIENCE to their students? I certainly learned very little in my many years in Sunday school because my teachers did not know anything themselves! People in the membership of the church do not understand what Christian Science even is or there would be more healing! It sure does not seem like any of you understand anything about Christian Science. It appears that you just came here to give honest seekers of Truth a bad time! We as Christian Scientists are suppose to understand and accept Mary Baker Eddy's place in Bible prophecy. But you would not have learned this in Sunday school, nor would any practitioner or teacher today let you know such a thing because they are forbidden, or dictated to by the BOD, not mention it to you. It is only because The First Church's false successors, the BOD, has lied to the Field all these years that they do not accept their true Leader anymore! Have you ever heard of the Six Points or the report for the Six Points? Do any of you even understand the history of Mary Baker Eddy and the church? Have any of you studied it like I have? I doubt it. And do not think that Gillian Gill's biography, that the church promotes, is NOT an ATTACK on Mary Baker Eddy annd Christian Science! Just like this whole sight here appears to be a weapon to aim at Mary Baker Eddy and Christian Science. Have any of you even really read the Manual? Or are you just parroting what those in charge have told you all these years? Are you just reporting hearsay evidence? I think you are. PLEASE start thinking for yourselves. Let me ask you this, as a Christian Scientist do we worship Christ Jesus' persona? Do we believe that he is God? No. And why not? Because we understand that idolizing persona is RC's way, it goes against one of the Ten Commandments. We understand that Jesus is the Son of God, he reflected and manifested the Christ nature. We understand that Jesus was one with God in the same way that we all are one with God. Chrisitian Scientists do not idolize the persona of Mary Baker Eddy either! But, if you read the Bible, which I am beginning to doubt that any of you have done, you will find out that after Jesus resurrected himself he went to his disciples to explain HIS PLACE in Bible prophecy! This was very important for him to do. So why are Christian Scientists afraid to claim that Mary Baker Eddy fulfilled Bible prophecy? I say they are afraid to do so because they think the world will crucify them! And now about Helen Wright. Helen was trying to do good, she was a very generous woman, I know because although we never met in person she sent me many of her books for free. I do not claim to know what happened when she had to leave Seattle, I do not know what was really going on, but I think that the rd of mam was orchestrating the events. I do not know if I agreed about the Manual issue, but something smells in Boston and it ain't the baked beans! Someone on this sight said that Helen's page had to do with New Age? This is not so, but it is so of Spirituality.com which is run by Boston! Why has The MONITOR been run by communists all these years and why do they support the United Nations? Why do they fail to mention Christian Science and Mary Baker Eddy in their "so called" spiritual articles? And in case you don't know it, I am pretty sure that members of the church are suppose to give grattitude to their Leader (which most Christian Scientists today seem to fail to do) in the Wednesday night testimonies! There is nothing wrong with this at all, and it is not idolotry either! You have all been brain washed by decades of denial toward Mary Baker Eddy's place in Bible prophecy. Helen Wright's last book is a very good beginning to understanding Christian Science because it explains the seven synonymous terms in great detail. I suggest you all buy a copy and study it, cause you really need it. Sorry to burst your balloons people, but it is time that someone speaks the Truth to you. My name is Victoria.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:23 AM
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Victoria,
You have a lot of questions for us.
Excuse me, but does anyone who has come to this sight (sic) even understand Christian Science?
Do any of you even understand the history of Mary Baker Eddy and the church? Have any of you studied it like I have?
Have any of you even really read the Manual? Or are you just parroting what those in charge have told you all these years? Are you just reporting hearsay evidence?
From the overall context, however, am I correct to assume they are rhetorical questions rather than questions which you expect us to answer?
Perhaps a little background information might assist you in better understanding our position. A great many of the Exers on these forums, myself included, studied CS for decades, had CS class instruction, and were respected members of the CS movement. For example, I spent more than 30 years in CS, had a highly respected CS teacher, and participated at very high levels in various CS conferences such as Regional Healing Goals meetings working directly with the TMC Board of Directors and other high level church officials. From that, I felt my understanding of CS was pretty well publicly validated.
One of the things that was clear to me in all my CS studies was the need to study the Bible. I don't think any CSist would seriously dispute the importance of Bible study. Where I came to in my understanding was the foundational importance of the Bible to Christianity, CS or otherwise. Like the house in the parable built on sand, I came to the realization that if the foundation of CS was the Bible then the Bible had to be rock rather than sand.
With a renewed understanding and perspective of the Bible, I discovered that it was capable of standing alone without shoring up by MBE's teaching. In fact, I found that MBE taught that her supposed foundation was flawed. Perhaps when all is said and done we will find that she was right. I suspect, however, that God knew what He was doing when He gave us His word.
Your message appears to not paint a very favorable image of Exers or TMC CSists. Did I misread your intent? Even when I was in CS, I understood there was two major perspectives of the movement to consider: MBE's actual, literal teachings and the cultural interpretations of her teachings. I found both to be false, but acknowledge the need to differentiate.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:34 AM
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Welcome to the forums, Victoria.
Do any of you even understand the history of Mary Baker Eddy and the church? Have any of you studied it like I have?
Actually, I have spent a lot of time studying the history of MBE, reading material both supporting her and not supporting her. I have also spent a lot of time in her writings (not to mention my 30 years in CS and all that went with that). I loved and revered Mrs. Eddy for a long time before realizing that she had led me away from the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Or are you just parroting what those in charge have told you all these years?
Interestingly, people come to Christian Way from all over the world and from an number of different denominational backgrounds (although we have a common background in CS). Nobody is giving us marching orders.
as a Christian Scientist do we worship Christ Jesus' persona? Do we believe that he is God? No. And why not? Because we understand that idolizing persona is RC's way, it goes against one of the Ten Commandments.
Actually, Catholics aren't the only ones who recognize the deity of Jesus Christ. Most Protestants do too -- which is fitting since the Bible gives plenty of evidence to show that while he was the Son of God, Jesus was also God the Son. For more on this, see:
The section on Jesus in the "CS and the Bible" section of the Christian Way web site
The thread entitled Bible verses pointing toward the deity of Jesus elsewhere in these forums
If you'd like to discuss this further, perhaps we can take the discussion to a thread in the "Doctrinal and Bible Related Issues" category.
members of the church are suppose to give grattitude to their Leader (which most Christian Scientists today seem to fail to do) in the Wednesday night testimonies!
What bothers people is that many CSists seem to give far more gratitude to Mrs. Eddy and Christian Science than to God.
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:28 PM
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| Victoria, So the failures of modern day CS are due to their being "apostate" in your view? Fascinating. At what point did they go astray? How did they go astray when they have MBE's verbatim teachings as their primary guide? Seems as if you're espousing a sort of CS fundamentalism.
"Let me ask you this, as a Christian Scientist do we worship Christ Jesus' persona?"
Well I guess this is the second biggest divide between S&H based Christianity & Biblically based Christianity (the biggest being CS's utter denial of man's sin nature versus the Bible's insistent teaching of it).
Unlike CS, Jesus never tells us that we are saved by an "idea". In fact, He teaches the contrary- that He Himself personally saves us from otherwise certain judgment for our sin. Read John 14-17. It details a salvation that comes through one Person & one Person only- Jesus Christ. The word "Christ" is never a reference to an idea, it was used 569 times in the New Testament & every time its Greek definition is the same- "anointed one, Messiah". It is not an idea, but a Person's title.
I must say I find it ironic that that you say you doubt that any of us have ever read the Bible, as your own lengthy post was entirely devoid of any Scriptural support. Christians should base all their core beliefs on the teachings of their true founder Jesus Christ Himself. His words have not been lost, they have been preserved so we would follow & therein know & worship Him personally.
To paraphrase my earlier rhetorical- How has any of us gone astray when we have Jesus' verbatim teachings as our primary guide?
"Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in Me. In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to Myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going." Thomas said to him, "Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:1-6Jesus doesn't say "My Idea is the way" as MBE purports Him to say. He says "I am the way... No one comes to the Father except through Me." zoarean
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