 Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:56 PM
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| Did you ever experience healing for something that was diagnosed by a medical professional? How about the eye infection? Ever get a doctor's diagnosis?
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Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:00 PM
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| Pablo: If you couldn't feel your heartbeat for several days I'm surprised that you were able to write this now. Was a doctor consulted, or did you just keep your problem to yourself? Someday you won't be able to feel your heartbeat, and 15 minutes later there will be nothing anyone can do to save you. Another of the 10% crowd? Mark
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Posted Friday, April 25, 2008 12:18 PM
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| Hi, I am new. Rosebud3. You mentioned Philip Yancey. There is also a book he put together on the life of Dr. Paul Brand who was a missionary MD. It is interestingly enough titled "In the Likeness of God". I read a passage from this book at an elders meeting in my church when there had been an injury and people were so moved we had a 1/2 hour discussion about it. It is put out by Zondervan, dated 2004. Hope this is helpful to someone.
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Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:26 PM
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This is really interesting to me after three decades in CS, and a family that was in CS for four generations.
We were certain CS healed. We had all these testimonies and stories we could tell. Now I am looking at them more critically. Flu will get better on its own. So do colds, upset stomachs, headaches. I thought I healed a urinary tract infection once, but in fact I was in incredible pain for a week before it went away -- a healing? Or did my body's immune system simply triumph?
My father said he was healed of appendicitis when he was a boy. But it was never diagnosed.
The most dramatic healing I sort of witnessed was my boyfriend at Prin College. He was running in the dark and hit a fence with his shin. He said it broke his leg and the bone was sticking out. He used crutches for a day, then spent some hours reading the books and fell asleep -- then got up and walked. He limped a bit for a couple of days. But here is what I'm thinking now -- maybe he got a bad bone bruise and it swelled up, which caused a lump that looked like the bone was out of place. He certainly never had a doctor look at it, he got the crutches from a CS nurse on campus. He didn't lie, he really interpreted what he was seeing as a compound fracture of his leg. He kept his weight off of it for a day or so, and in lying down to read and sleep, he kept it elevated. So, it felt better, and was never actually broken, so he could walk on it in a day or two. Thus, the healing. It may sound convoluted, but I think, now that I know more about how the body reacts to injury, that it's perfectly plausible.
But when he became sick with tonsillitis after we were married, he didn't get better with CS practice. I finally took him to the ER after a week of his getting worse, and he got better with antibiotics. Many years later, after we were divorced, he got liver disease, which did cause his death, although he was attending church and his Association, and doing everything he could in CS to heal it.
Cancer, too, is something I have not ever heard in person of a healing in CS. I mean, I've read of it, but never known anyone personally who was healed of cancer through CS. My grandfather, a devout and class taught CS, died of what the autopsy showed to be cancer. My father died of cancer, although he did go through chemo etc. at the insistence of my mother. When I got cancer, I went right for the surgeon, and he cured me!
CS's always pull out the card: "But do you know how many people die under medical care?" Well, I'll be the first to say that medical science is far from perfect. I am cautious and picky about what medications I will take. I google any health concern I have, and get second opinions when I feel I need to. You need to be an educated consumer -- much of the health care profession, especially insurance, is out to make a buck rather than take care of people. However, that is not proof that CS heals -- it's totally unrelated. Anyone who has watched a loved one suffer, or who has suffered himself from something they found out later could have been easily taken care of by a doctor, knows this. But my life and the lives of friends and families have been improved and sometimes saved by medical intervention, used when it seems necessary.
When I had cancer, I was at first afraid to go to the hospital. I had never been in a hospital in my 51 years of life, except to visit a friend once. With all my CS background, I retained the "shop of horrors" image of hospitals. But my experience was nothing like that. They took care of me. Sure, sometimes I had to remind them to get me something because they were so busy. But I felt safe and cared for. My cancer was caught extremely early and removed without need for further treatment, and my recovery went smoothly, and my surgeon and his nurse were great and very helpful and patient with my questions. I can forget I ever had cancer, and I often do. Someone said the other day that I should march in a parade for cancer survivors, and I said, Why? I had forgotten I was one! This is healing enough for me!
Ann
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Posted Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:58 AM
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| I was raised in CS and have had many healings. My entire family has experience the healing effect of pure CS. I am grateful to have it.
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Posted Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:26 PM
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OK.. . . . . I'll ask the obvious question.
Can you tell us about those healings? Were any conditions diagnosed or are your evaluations of the conditions made purely through what you think they might have been.
We'd love to know and are awaiting your answer . . . . as we are STILL awaiting the answer of so many others who have made the exact same statement either in person (at a CS service) or here on the site.
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Posted Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:37 AM
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Posted Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:38 PM
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| I read the article referred to and this is another example of how Christian Scientists have little if any logic when confronted with information. This article in NO way proves what Christian Scientists whisper down the lane as healings. This article is simply a gathering of numbers. How many Christian Scientists reported healings when they had seen a doctor, how may Christian Scientists reported healings of serious or life threatening diseases when they had seen a doctor....and so on. There is NO investigation of the actual FACTS of these statements...its just a gathering of statements. First off, if a Christian Scientist hears a doctor or nurse say, "it might be a broken bone" and they go home and its healed...it WAS a broken bone. This person would then say to the person writing the artilce, I saw a nurse at the grade school and she said it was a broken leg. That is certainly NOT documentation of a healing. Secondly, its amazing how Christian Scientists dont comprehend that MOST human illnesses will just heal themselves/go away without doctors and medicines. I still chuckle when I read of the healing of headaches, warts, colds/ sore throats, sprains and so on. And also there are a lot of serious silent illnesses out there that people live with for decades and do nothing about, especially CSers. You cant really TELL you have a serious problem, like high blood pressure, or diabetes for instance, but they will come to get you eventually. So imagine the CSer going to the hospital for blacking out and the doctor tells them they have diabetes and they come home and feel better and tell everyone they were healed. This person could tell the same journalist that he was healed of a doctor diagnosed condition but what does that prove? Again, its just heresay. This article is just gathering the number of heresay testimonies. Square Peg
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Posted Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:37 PM
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It occurs to me that Christian Scientists are often absolutely correct about many of the disorders for which they claim healing. Their sicknesses are indeed unreal or at least not as real as later described.
When we appear ill, there are several possibilities including:
Not ill at all
Ill, but healing will come as a natural result of the body's healing ability
Ill, but easily treated
Ill, in need of advance healing assistance
It's real easy to misassign a diagnosis or a healing when the facts are unknown and unknowable.
God certainly intervenes in healing. For example, He designed our bodies immune system and provides common Grace for even those who do not believe. He intervenes through providing wisdom in how we care for ourselves and in providing wisdom and knowledge for caregivers.
Christian Scientists (and others) experience healings resulting from God's design of our bodies and His common Grace.
Unfortunately, many of us fail to give God the credit for healing. Rather, we too often give the credit to "Nature", a doctor, a practitioner, or reading certain passages. Drove me nuts when I'd hear week after week, "grateful for Christian Science", grateful to Mary Baker Eddy", "give thanks for Science & Health"... Also drives me nuts when medical science gets the glory rather than God, but that's another topic.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 11:09 AM
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| Dear Do Go, Thanks for writing that. I haven't been to this site for a long time. I have made some very good friends in CS and re-connected with some CS family. I think correct to give God the credit for the healing. As a RN I need humility and not the sense that it is I who carry the burden but that all I do is for God's way and not my own. I simply have skills and hopefully a compassionate heart. I was very sad today when a CS practitioner would not pray for me. It occurred to me then that Holy Spirit is greater than CS treatments or doctors etc. etc, I was working through a healing and I thought this woman's one treatment was helping me but now I'm thinking it's God's design to place us all where we need to be to help us become closer to Him. I had been asking my husband about how Abba was spelled because I am praying on issues involving my father. This morning when I came to the kitchen my Bible was sitting straight up at the coffee maker with a verse listed and I read it. It was when Jesus is in Gesthemane and he is crying "Abba , will you take this cup from me? But if not I will do as Thy Will asks" sorry if that is not the exact wording. Anyway, when I read that the Spirit hit me like a great gust and I remembered I had not forgiven my father for leaving our family when I was only 8 at my mother's direction. He had been hurting my brother but my brother was also out of control so I was left in a very vulnerable place. My father was crying that day and I begged him and told him how I could feel a wall he had built up around himself and if he continued he would be more and more disconnected from people. Then after all of that he moved out for 3 months and I became 2 people 1) Rebellious and siding with my brother at home 2) Sweet and precious daughter trying to help Daddy get back home. The healing that is coming that I am neither of those "identities" I created to survive but 1, God's child. The CS was helping with this and then just cut me off. I didn't get it. No one has ever done that to me in CS. You're right God deserves the credit for the healings.
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