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Christian Colleges

Grace — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:47:41 GMT

Hi Everyone,

Since my son will be graduating high school in a few weeks (yee-ha!), we have naturally been through the college selection process. He has decided that he would like to spend the first year at a school not too far from home, and has been accepted to go to a nearby state college and live on campus the first year. Should it be a total disaster, he has the option to live at home and commute, but he is the sort of person that I am sure will enjoy the experience of living on campus (I think). Anyways, he has recently been saying that after the first year, he hopes to transfer to a smaller college, not necessarily in state (but hopefully not too far away -- In my opinion). He has also asked if I know of any good Christian Colleges, preferably in the Northeast (his parent's preference), but there is no real requirement that it be so located.

Unfortunately, I do not know of any (and I must add am very proud and excited that he would even want to go to one). I google searched and found many, many Christian affiliated colleges, but I don't know anything about any of them and am wondering if perhaps some of you may have the scoop on a reputable one. He has no definite major in mind, but has several interests. Right now he is interested in psychology and also loves music and math. He has considered teaching, but nothing definite. He has also mentioned Christian Counseling or Religious studies (I can't imagine where he might have gotten that idea from; can you?)

So, please any suggestions will be promptly looked into. Fortunately, we have a while before deciding for next year. Lots of work went into deciding on this year, so naturally I was a bit surprised to hear that he wants to transfer somewhere else after the first year already -- cheez, I just finished doing the tour circuit and now we get to start over! Naturally, nothing we looked at so far is what he wants to consider transferring to. . . . go figure! The other good news is that next year his younger brother will be graduating high school, so we will have two financial aid forms to fill out and two lists of colleges to explore. (but by then, we will be experts, right?) :-)

Anyway, thanks for your ideas in advance. I knew I could count on you!

-- Grace

Another Mother Church president dies in office

Linda — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:57:34 GMT

Two presidents of The Mother Church have suddenly died "in office" over the past two years.

Incoming President David Reed collapsed and died at Annual Meeting in June 2006.

Richard Bergenheim became president of TMC last month, but he died last weekend while in Kansas City meeting with Christian Science teachers and practitioners. See both his June 2nd announcement as president and his death announcement on TMC's [url=http://www.churchofchristscientist.org/newsandinformation/]website[/url].

Very sad but undeniably ironic.

Right...

dbs521 — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:34:15 GMT

I don't want to rant, and I don't want to sound redundant (I'm fixing to do both), but I am baffled at how Christian Science makes sense or seems right to anyone. Honestly, how can any sensible person feel comfort or contentment in Christian Science. A comforting thing about most other religions is the fellowship and the collective concern for anyone else who has an problem, be it physical, emotional, occupational, monetary-whatever. That aspect in Christian Science churches is non exisistent for the most part. For that 45 minutes each Sunday, everyone sits and listens to the same thing they've been hearing for years (and it still doesn't make sense!). 2 of the 7 MBE songs are sung in rotation (1 if you're in Sunday School). Then, everyone retreats and you don't see them until the following Sunday. And the cycle just continues. You could go to services for half a year and you will have read and sung all there is to read and sing. What an incredibly monotonous way to conduct a service! Christian Science must have been intended for left-brain thinkers, because everything is concrete and there's no need to worry about change or deviation. Having left the religion about 5 years ago, I sometimes want to go back to my old church and bring these things to light. To the people i've know most of my life. I often think about people that still go there that I've know since i was a child and i wonder how committed they are to Christian Science. I wonder how they would respond if they were faced with a life-threatening illness. It would seem crazy to want to work through the pain without the aid of medicine. And for what?!? What result comes from following Christian Science? What result comes from putting yourself through torture and attempting to learn things that make no sense to begin with? There seems to be no goal to work towards. You're left to put faith in a "religion" that kills and doesn't work. I feel better.

-david.

CS is really changing

Anonymous — Sat, 17 May 2003 17:41:10 GMT

I'm seeing so many changes in the Christian Science churches that are being promoted in their periodicals, lectures, and branches churches. I can't say whether these changes will make Christian Science more palliative to non-Scientists or not. The first thing is that it appears that a number of the church members are using medicine and getting hospital treatment. A couple of weeks ago I attended a Wednesday evening Testimony service where one guy stood up told about himself being in the hospital and that Christian Science was working for him. He did this same thing at their Thanksgiving day service. Nobody said anything during these services to counter what he said. I had to ask a church member about this and she told me that 60% of their members don't use medicine but 40% do. She told me that this guy is, in fact, a member. Wow, astonishing!

Their periodicals seem to be focusing less on Christian Science and more on other religions and therapies. I understand they are doing this to attract newcomers.

Their lectures are totally vapid. They tell you nothing about what Christian Science is about.

I'd like to know if others are seeing these same things going on. I doesn't appear to be helping to increase their membership.

Thanks,

Lorela

Reply to Marcos

Do_Go_Be_Man — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:18:15 GMT

Anonymous (Marcos) Posted January 17, 2008 @ 4:44:01 PM (in Outreach to Loved Ones in Christian Science » CS and non-CS Marriages),

[quote]Do Go Be Man:

You said that you would accept my posts even if I said nothing bad about Mary baker Eddy. Well I wrote two posts and did not mention her and neither of my posts were published. Why not? M y last post had some common sense advise for the Surfer. It would have definitely helped him in his marriage. Why didn't you post it?[/quote]
One of the reasons these forums are moderated is to avoid the posting of potentially hurtful messages in inappropriate areas. At least one of the posts to which I believe you are referring was posted in a sensitive area and contained comments that were inappropriately critical.

Contrary to what you may believe, moderation of web forums is not censorship just as prohibiting falsely yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is not.

I've asked you several times what your connection is to CS and therefore your interest in these forums. Continuing failure to abide by the expectations, terms, and conditions of these forums will result in you being banned. That is an undesirable solution we have rarely and reluctantly invoked. If you have something to contribute based on your connection to CS and can do so in a civil, sensitive manner that is on topic, you are welcome to join our discussions. I also strongly suggest that you register and login when posting as you have abused the privileges of posting anonymously.

As I have offered on other occasions, please feel free to use the private posting of the forums to contact me with the understanding that I can only reply to registered users or an e-mail address that you provide.

Do Go Be Man
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Is Prayer Pointless?

Anonymous — Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:44:10 GMT

It is common practice among Christians to pray for people who are sick or are in need. Suppose that a few Christians know a boy who has cancer. The disease is inoperable and untreatable in this case, so our Christian friends pray for the boy. A few weeks later, the boy dies. This is a familiar scenario which is often encountered in the creationist world. One can't help but wonder why the praying didn't work. Was the boy a sinner, and therefore deserved to die? Did his friends simply not pray hard enough? Probably not. The explanation that most Christians use is that it was not God's will for the boy to live. In other words, written in God's big book of how things are going to happen, Timmy is supposed to reach the end of the line at such and such date. At first glance, this seems to make sense. For whatever mysterious reason, it was the boy's time to go, and because of that, no amount of prayers could change it. Most Christians agree to this reasoning.

But let's back up a bit here. We said that no amount of prayers could change the outcome of the boy with cancer situation because it is God's will that the boy die. This actually says a lot more than you might think. This means that we can't change something that is in God's plan. If God wants the boy to die, then he is going to die. Doesn't this make praying pointless? Doesn't this mean that you can't change what God is going to do, so it doesn't matter if you pray or not? At this point of the argument, most Christians tell me that prayer convinces God to change his mind about his divine plan. Here, I would like to take a small detour to prove that God cannot change his mind, due to the fact that he is perfect. The reason is simply this: there is always a best choice in any situation. For someone to change their mind, they have to deem their new choice better than their old one. Suppose, for example, that God thought that one plus one equals three. God then changes his mind to thinking that one plus one equals two. This situation is impossible because for God to change his mind to the best choice (one plus one equals two), he must have previously had a worse choice. This math situation cannot happen because God must be wrong in the first place. For him to change to thinking that one plus one equals two, he must first think that one plus one equals something else, which is wrong. God is never wrong, remember? He always knows the best choice, because he is omniscient. God always selects the best choice from the start. As a result, God can never change his mind. Granted, sometimes the best choice is only slightly better than the other choice, but it doesn't matter. All questions have a best answer. It is impossible to calculate the best answer to a question for us because we must look at every single tiny effect on everything else, but for an omniscient god, this is no difficult task at all. God always makes the best choice, because he is never wrong. Every choice he makes is perfect -- there is no better choice. Now, let's get back to the original argument.

I made that point to show that God cannot change his mind. The relevance to the argument is that God cannot be convinced to make a different choice. So let's get this straight: if God's plan is set in place, and God's mind is set in place, then how can prayer change anything? There exist two kinds of situations: (1) someone prays for something that is not according to God's plan, and (2) someone prays for something that is according to God's plan. As we've just discussed, praying for something that is not according to his plan is pointless, because we can't change his mind about anything, and what God wants to do is already set in place. The second situation, where someone prays for something that is according to God's plan, is equally pointless. If something is according to God's plan prior to the prayer, then it is going to happen regardless of whether you pray for it or not. If God wants some kid with cancer to live, then praying for him is pointless because before you even kneel down in front of your bed or in your church, God has already decided that the boy will live. What's the point of praying for something that is going to happen anyway? It's like praying for the law of gravity. It's going to happen anyway, so why pray for it? In both of the situations, prayer is pointless.

Either your prayer is against God's will and therefore won't happen because you can't change his mind, or your prayer is according to God's will but doesn't make a difference because God's will would have been carried out anyway. Prayer is pointless. It's a waste of time.

-Dave

Study beyond what Mrs. Eddy has studied?

Linda — Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:14:32 GMT

Can anyone verify whether Mrs. Eddy said that she wants her followers to "go beyond what she has studied and to grow more on our own"? (The wording isn't right, but that's the basic idea.) Someone wrote asking me about this and I can't remember any such instruction from MBE. I told the person who wrote me that I'd ask you all about it.:D

Thank GOD I'm a Christian Scientist

Peter Frye — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:04:22 GMT

For the last couple of months now, there has been a greater demand for me to find a second part-time job or a nice full-time job that would cover my financial needs. The pressure for finding a job and the stress for the lack of opportunities grew day by day until last night when I caved in. I asked God, why can't I find a job? What am I wrong? I asked God of a hint of where to go, a sign, anything.

A year ago, I came to the spiritual realization that God already knows my needs and problems before I even know I have them and that he has already provided me. All I needed to know is that my prays have been answered, my needs have been meet, and my problems solved already by God. And I had to do is reinforce this Truth through the Lord's Prayer, just as Jesus said in Matthew 6. Put God first in my life and I will be provided, always.

This way of thinking has proven to be quite effective in my life, but I can be lazy and have the tendency to procrastinate. It's something I need to work on since the True me isn't lazy, but because of it, I thought that I didn't really need to find a job because the time I REALLY needed a job was months away. That "time" was a month ago and I've been getting myself deeper and deeper into the hole I made. With each passing day the pressure on my grows that I just continue to sink into this depression, not wanting to do anything, because I feel useless and I just want to stay in bed because my dreams are far maybe than my reality. And last night, I just couldn't take it anymore.

So as I said above, I asked God, "Why this?", "Why that?" If my prayers have been answered, my needs met, my problems solved, why am I in this mess? I wished I wasn't lazy months ago and actually looked for a job when I had time. I never felt so alone in my life. I hit rock bottle.

But then I had a thought: Get out of bed, turn on the light, sit down, and listen. I thought that it was a good time to listen to my "Purpose and Employment" CD which was a collection of interviews and testimonies from the Christian Science Sentinel Radio Edition. From the first second, I started to cry. It wasn't because I was sad, but because I finally realized the Truth. It was right in front of me all along. I immediately felt the warmth and divine Love of God surrounding me. It felt as if God was hugging me from behind and whispering into me ear. I was never alone. I no longer felt unwanted or useless. No longer felt as if I had no purpose. I had one. I always had one. I have always been employed. My employer is God and he provides me purpose and supply and all I need to do is live my life expressing God. Not just say it or think it, but actually DO it, which is something that I don't do that often. It's something I need to work on and actually do the working and not just say I need to do it.

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

"Divine Love always has met and always will meet every human need."

They're not just words, but a way of life. And everyday that I feel, understand, and demonstrate Truth, I thank God I am Christian Scientist. I Love it!

CS Reading Rooms and Christmas

tmg98 — Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:35:22 GMT

Hi,

This is my first post to this forum. Last week I passed by a CS Reading in the Northern Virginia area outside of Washington, DC which is operated by the First Church of Christ Scientist, Arlington, Virginia. The location of this reading room is 123 N. Little Falls Street in Falls Church, Virginia.

As I passed by this reading room in my car, I saw displayed in the window some objects that looked aimed at the commercial/material side of Christmas--a reindeer with a bright red bird directly above its mouth like the reindeer was trying to catch the bird. Above these objects were large snowflakes hanging from the ceiling of the display window. In another window viewable from the street was something which I would expect from a religious bookstore--a large-sized quote from scripture. However next to it was a decorated Christmas tree with a very small chipmunk and a few other items beside it.

This dismay made me stop my car and go inside. The display decorator was there with her husband explaining they were not successful in creating the effect they wanted--a bird flying above the reindeer, which they called a "baby doe". I just couldn't accept their explanation. Later that day I decided to call the reading room and spoke to the assistant librarian who told me if no one else complained they would keep the display up. In general, I feel the display not only represents a very bad display, with items thrown together with the result of "misleading" people who are familiar with Christian Science and those who are not. When did they start allowing the reading rooms to display "gimmicks" to get people to come into their reading rooms? Based on this display and the response of the reading room attendant, I think the demise of CS is in the offing. I would like to know what others who live in this area of Northern Virginia think. This reading room welcomes people to contact them (tele: 703-532-2396) and let them know how they feel about the appropriateness of this display.

TMG98

CS obsession with CS Literature

Anonymous — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:16:54 GMT

Hi all...SurferforJesus here long time no post. I hope your summer is treating you well and our Lord is holding you in the palm of his hand as the old Irish Prayer says...

A question.

As you know my lovely and loving wife is CS and so I know about CS through my exposure to her. One thing I notice is this obsession with CS literature. All she reads is the Sentinel, S & H, the Monitor and anything coming out of the Publishing Society. I tried to get her to read Mere Christianity to no avail, which in my view is Christianity 101.

Is this typical behavior? I mean this woman has never read anything else since I married her 13 years ago. I just wonder if it is typical or atypical of CS people in general.

BTW...if you were wondering how I am doing.... here is the update... I am fine, but I have given up the fight. I have two kids to raise and a start up business to manage.. I have no energy to fight. So, I pray daily ( in my case the rosary) that the Holy Spirit will find an opening in her heart to show her Christ's truth. I ask forgiveness for my sins and for hers and thank God for his blessings. But I cannot fight about religion and keep a happy household. I am in a no win situation with that and put myself in God's hands.

Nice to see new people posting ......your ex CS stories are tragic and I pray for your recovery.

God Bless and thanks for your responses.

SurferforJesus

Hey Frogs!

Anonymous — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:58:39 GMT

Frogs,

I got the Purpose in the mail the other day. Almost threw it outb but decided to check out the back to see if there were pictures of any old friends. Congrats on your wedding!!

Courtney

WHAT CAN I DO IF ANYTHING?

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:17:19 GMT

Hi everyone, I know it's been a long time since I have posted & just started lurking around again. Hope everyone had a wonderful summer & is doing Great!
My question is my Mom who is now 85 took off to a C.S. facility for 2 weeks on the spur of the moment & I'm having quite a difficult time with this to say the least. She had a C.S. friend bring her there which is 8 hours away. She was not sick or anything just decided to go which makes no sense to me at all. I have called her a few times & she seems fine but, I sure have a VERY hard time when I call there to try & be nice to whoever answers. Actually, I guess there really isn't anythng I can except pray that she does come home & doesn't get talked into staying there! Yikes
Have a Safe Labor Day Weekend & God Bless All of You,
Pam )

Is Christianity a cult?

Anonymous — Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:42:22 GMT

Hello.

I am a first-time poster on this forum, although I have been reading your discussions for quite some time.

Firstly, I'd like to congratulate you all for keeping this discussion going; I am married to an ex-Christian Scientist and I have researched the Internet for quite some time and this is, I believe, the only medium dedicated to ex-Christian Scientists. From my personal experience, there is a great need for a space where former (and questioning current) CSers can potentially discuss the doctrine safely.

What brought me to this board initially was a desire to learn more about Christian Science in order to be able to understand and support my partner, who is dealing with the consequences of leaving CS. Thanks to this forum, I found and read the few books published by former Christian Scientists and they were all useful and intriguing to me, including Linda's book "The Religion That Kills".

One of the chapters in the book, Influence and Mind Control, introduced me to the very interesting "criteria for thought reform" and these criteria are why I am posting today.

The question I have, and would like to pose to you, is about Christianity and not Christian Science. I decided to post it here because I presume more of the partcipants in this forum's discussions are familiar with the book, and because of the many interpretations that you all formulate about Christianity and religion in general. I would appreciate if you shared your opinions with me.

The backgdrop for my question are Robert Lifton's criteria for thougth reform -in essence, the attributes of mind control in cults-, as paraphrased by Linda. All of my added quotation marks below indicate a direct copy from Linda's book. The criteria are:

1. Milieu control, "the control of what a person reads, hears, discusses, thinks, etc."
2. Mystical manipulation, involving the leader's "claim to divine or spiritual authority"
3. The demand for purity, for the fulfillment of which "members must cotinually strive to achieve humanly unattainable purity"
4. The cult of confession, which "places members in a vulnerable position as their weaknesses are exposed and are often used against them"
5. The sacred science made up of the beliefs and teachings "considered sacred because they are supposedly from an indisputable source such as divine revelation or inspiration", "precise and able to explain everything", making the sacred science, as well as the leader "above criticism"
6. Loading the language, by which the cult has its own jargon which "changes the meanings of common words so that members are unable to effectively communicate with people outside the group. (...) A member is less likely to believe criticism of his or her group from someone whom he or she automatically thinks of as unenlightened or evil."
7. Doctrine over person, making the doctrine "more important than the individual. Experiences which contradict the doctrine must be ignored or reinterpreted."
8. "Dispensing of Existence -- The group claims the authority to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually taken figuratively, but means that the group considers non-members to be unspiritual, damned, evil, or the like. Occasionally a group decides that it has the right to kill outsiders. In any case, this elitist attitude often results in the shunning of members who choose to leave the group. It also helps to create a fear of leaving, because to leave results in damnation, failure, or some other disaster."

I think most of us, familiar with Christian Science or other cults, will agree that these are indeed the characteristics of a cult and of thought control or thought redirection (brainwashing) in general.

My question to you is this: Would you say that Christianity, which implies or demands all of these criteria, is also a cult, as defined above, and a mind-controlling doctrine and practice?

Thank you.

Christian Way Flier for CSists

Do_Go_Be_Man — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:32:46 GMT

As I mentioned in the "Heavy Hearts" thread, the discussion there got me to thinking about what written message would we want to put in a CSist's hands regarding Christian Way? It could take several forms from something the size of a business card to a tract to a brochure. While I don't anticipate actually printing such a piece, it would be interesting to discuss what such a piece should contain, what format it should take, and how it should be distributed.

Do Go Be Man
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Robin Williams

Grace — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:42:45 GMT

Hi Everyone,

I'm just wondering if what I just heard is true. Someone has just told me that Robin Williams was raised in CS and went to Principia. Then he somehow got into years of cocaine abuse and rehab and is now an active Episcopalian. This person (a former Christian Scientist) claims to know Robin William's current wife and says that he knows her from his current church (Episcopal -- in California). Personally, I am having a hard time believing it, but wondered if anyone could confirm this, either way.

Just curious . . . . . thanks!

-- Grace

Raising the Dead

frogs25 — Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:44:26 GMT

When I got home from work this evening I recieved a message on the machine from my step-mother about how inspiring annual meeting was and that I should listen to the web broadcast and encouraged me to call her back so that we could discuss it.

What a dilemma....here I am trying to push the delete button to CS and She's trying to make me press play. Now shes the type that is very controlling and I knew from the tone of her voice that she expected back the call, and if not, would come to the conclusion that I have left CS altogether (which I am working on) and am supporting the claims of mortal mind. In addition I'm in my 20s, been on my own for a while now, and she still can't let me go. So for all intents and purposes I listened to the webcast, Sure enough at 10pm I got a call from her to make sure that I was going to watch it. ERRRR!!!

The Board of Directors all took turns talking and for the most part, the annual meeting was pretty much the way I remember it in terms of the language, the essense of CS is love......We have come here today in unity.......Being a member of the Mother Church has given me such great opportunites to spread the heart and soul of CS--Healing......Listening, Listening, Listening......

All that did not catch me off guard---It's the same old same old

It was at the end when the board of directors were having an open discussion on.....not sure what exactly but one of them brought up the Cross & the Crown and how it is on alll of MBE books. She started reading them off...Heal the Sick, RAISE THE DEAD....

She then asked in a suprised tone---WHY SHOULD CS'ISTS BE LIMITED IN ANY WAY? (refering to raising the dead)

One commented that by demonstrating this it would set this demomination apart from all the others

Another one said that this is not an impossibility---It can be proven due to the theology of CS which is a proven science

And another interpreted it as meaning that we need to raise our "deaded" consciousness

These comments bother me about CS.
---If its someones time to die, it's someones time
---Jesus raised Lazerus from the dead-But Jesus was special, he was the son of God-DIRECTLY
---So far as the comment about raising the dead would set CS apart from all the others is in a way, an advertising ploy, to try to prove that CS is the answer because MBE is the final revelator
---Not an Impossibilty-I suppose God could ordain someone at somepoint and be just as special as Jesus was-I am not about to doubt the powers of God---so I agree that it is not an impossibility
---So far as the interpretation, well definately a well rehearsed CS answer spiritually speaking

Sorry to drown all you guys with this but I'm so nervous about tomorrows discussion. Actually I just got all of this out with you guys so that now I can avoid this one particular topic that bothered me so much. Thank you all and I trust your prayers are with me as I enter the firey furnace tomorrow.

Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Life

Spring — Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:23:08 GMT

“Purpose driven life” by Rick Warren has already been discussed briefly on this forum but I don’t remember in which thread so I have started a new one.

Reason for that is that the church I’ve attended for over a year now, will commence a huge campaign in November, of almost the complete membership/regular visitors reading the book, getting together in groups once a weekly (6 weeks) and Sunday sermons matching the subject during these 40 days. Much time and effort will go into this project, and other studies like Alpha or more advanced topics on Christianity will not take place during this time, and of course much time within prayer groups is devoted to the project as well.

At the very beginning when this was announced I was rather open-minded. In the meantime, as the project beginning comes closer and I watch the enormous efforts to encourage people/members to participate in the project, and as I have read the book, an inner alarm keeps nagging on me on the following:

Even (or especially) if a church claims to be absolutely bible based and members consider regular bible study a must (and I haven’t noticed anything different yet), shouldn’t any major study project rather be a bible study one. And not the study of a book written by someone who happens to be very successful in growing his church and to sell millions of book copies? As every Christian has a duty to check anything against the bible, I don’t see that will be the focus of the 40 days but rather study of what’s written by Rick Warren and how to live that.

As I read through the book I had a feeling that Rick Warren’s vision and “purpose-driven life” guidelines focus on contributing to church and growing the church family only. As valuable and necessary as work for church and evangelisation are, what about a person’s vision that is not directly church-related? I sense a similarity between the Warren-instructions and various campaigns which met with praise and religion-like devotion only to be replaced by the next wave just a year or so later.

Can the enormous enthusiasm of the people who are preparing for the project, several of them having read the book already, be kind of “mass-hypnotisation”? Maybe I’m an alien among the (or at least this) Christian community when I would say that God – and prayer, worship, bible reading - has the No. 1 priority in my life and I strive as best as I can to follow his word, while considering church to be a very important part of my life, but not the No. 1, rather one part next to my family, friends, works and other areas in my life.

What do you who have read the book think of this? Did you have similar ideas? Or is it just me being overly careful because I know of the effects of other-than-biblical instructions (e.g. S&H)?

Marion

Why do you want to be good and not bad?

Peter Frye — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:05:15 GMT

Are you a God-fearing person?

P.F.

"How Solid Mattter Can Pass Through Rock"

Jan — Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:22:32 GMT

I just came across an article "How Solid Mattter Can Pass Through Rock" written by Ted Twietmeyer. The article can be found on the Rense website. I thought some may find it interesting.

Jan

Raising the dead

Anonymous — Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:54:36 GMT

Do any of the posters here know of well-documented cases of Christians raising the dead? Of course, a scientific materialist would describe accounts of raising the dead as "anecdotal" unless they could be documented with medical data, etc. So I am interested in cases, if any, with that kind of documentation, but also in cases that would be considered anecdotal but still attested to by trustworthy witnesses.

Class Teaching, Association, and other CS Experience

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:18:29 GMT

For the record, I am a former CS and now, by God's Grace, Born Again. I'm not trolling for flames or trying to spy, just interested in getting a snapshot of the levels of past involvement.

I'm curious about the CS backgrounds of other former CS on this board. I was class taught and pretty well connected to church leadership at the regional and Mother Church levels. At one point I aspired to be a practitioner and teacher. I was often asked to lead regional youth activities, College Org events, and other Mother Church sponsored events.

Some topics to kick off what I'd like to know about might be described as:

Saw enough quickly and got out before much damage was done vs. Was deeply commited over a period of years

Found Science as an adult vs. Raised in Science

Attended Sunday School vs. Class Taught

CS is not for me vs. CS is not for anybody

I found CS on my own vs. I was in CS because my family was CS

I participate in this board because of my own past connections to CS vs. I participate in this board because of someone else's current connections to CS

My CS friends and family accept that I left CS vs. My CS friends and family turned their backs on me when I left CS

I suppose each of these topics have been covered in other areas of the board and could take off in a broad direction, I would appreciate getting a snapshot similar to my statement. I decided to post this message when searches for "class" and "association" came up empty.

Thanks.