 Posted Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:57 AM
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Does anyone know what's up with 3rd Church, Seattle?
The building there in the U dist is totally empty. TMC site directory (and I assume the current Journal) still lists that loctn etc. Do these things happen so quick that they can't even get the listing accurate in a timely manner?
Does it seem strange to anyone else that when these churches close, especially when there are other churches in the area, that there isn't any posted referral to a nearby alternative? I noticed this when 6th church closed as well. Gee. wonder if this lack of outreach attitude has anything to do with the closing?
As I recall, 3rd church used to be one of the 3 largest Washington churches (along with Bothell and Bellevue I think) whose Readers selected the CoP.
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Posted Sunday, May 07, 2006 11:31 AM
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B!X,
Being the curious guy that I am, I just tried calling them - no answer, no answering machine, or disconnected number message. Of course, assuming an 11:00 service start, they would be in the middle of the Sunday service now. There is no phone listing for the reading room.
Here is the address and phone number I found in the regular directory and match the TMC directory:
Christian Science - Third Church of Christ Scientist
1707 Northeast 50th Street, Seattle, WA 98105
206-522-5755
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:46 AM
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Posted Monday, May 15, 2006 7:25 AM
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An old definition of insanity is, "Doing the same unsuccessful thing over and over, yet hoping that somehow the result will be different next time."
Liberalism destroys churches.
Churches that cleave to Scripture thrive.
You think those liberal churches (along with CS) might get the point?
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Posted Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:50 AM
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Liberalism destroys churches.
fH: I think it is best not to generalize here, or you will surely start an argument. Some of us who are Liberal or Progressive and are Christain also (I know it is hard to believe) would take offense to your statement. We could make the same statement, and insert the word "conservativism".
Of course we might all have a different opinion of the word "destroys". I'm sure your meaning in this case is relating to attendance or popularity. I am one the believes that success is not defined by what is popular. Yes, I do agree that today, the conservatives do dominate Christianity in attendance, media play, etc. But I look for the pure truth, and it is not always "with the masses".
Many of today's radio preachers, moral majority, and fundamentalists would say that the war in Iraq was "biblically based". I have heard many fundamental Christians say that to me in our debates about the war. I believe this is the kind of attitude that "destroys churches". You may see a large popularity with this kind of belief, but as you can see, this belief is slowly changing. Many who said that last year, are not saying that this year, as the politics change, and the tide turns. I think we need to completely separate our politics from our thinking when we have such important issues, and ask "what would Jesus do"? In that perspective I do not think you could justify war and killing. The conservatives may dominate the churches now in numbers, so if that is how you define success, then fine. I prefer quality, not quantity. So when I choose my belief system, I prefer the message to be consistant with my beliefs, and I don't care in popularity.
There are many other issues that we take different sides on as you know. Generally speaking, when we as progressives or liberals make a decision, we try to think "what would Jesus do", and follow his example as being compassionate and accepting of all who seek him. He did not exclude the sinner, but treated all as equal. We are compassionate, inclusive people, and I do not care if we are a minority, or majority. The pendulum may swing the other way someday, I don't know, but I would always follow my heart with the few, rather than compromise and follow the masses.
So I have to disagree with you fH. Liberalism or progressivism does not destroy my church. Many of our churches are small, yes, but pure for us. And some are big too. Some examples of liberal churches are the Episcopal church, The United Church of Christ (or Congregational Church), and the Presbyterian Church USA. They are considered more "open and accepting" than the fundementalists churches. That is the kind of church I want to follow. I want to love all people, not just the ones who believe what I believe. And that includes you fH! Even though you do not believe the same as I, I respect your opinion, and love you too.
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Posted Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:54 AM
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Linda,
You might want to put my last comment in another thread, under a title such as "Liberalism Destroys Churches" Yes or No?.
Since it does not really relate to the 3rd church in Seattle closing.
Also, you can sign my name to it.
Liberal Christian
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Posted Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:37 PM
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Thanks Liberal Christian for taking the time to respond. I was more of a coward and posted a comment on a totally different site under a topic "Are you a conservative or liberal Christian?". Here's my comment:
I chose "middle" though I still lean toward "conservative" (I've been almost ultra-conservative in the past).
On another (ex-CS) board I posted a link about shrinking congregations in the U District possibly moving in together. My intent was to possibly link that with the apparent closing of the CS church in that area.
This sweeping generalization was in response: [I then quoted FollowingHim's post],
and concluded with:
It made me cringe. I didn't even know how to respond (don't necessarily feel a need to).
... uh... this all just might be a slight case of thread drift, you're right
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Posted Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:10 PM
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| Gosh, I didn't think fh meant politically speaking... I got the impression he meant conservative as in a religious conservative. I thought he meant more conservative in belief (as in religious belief, not political). Maybe I have the wrong idea, though. You can be a liberal politically (tho on some issues, particularly social issues, I think i'd find it difficult) and yet a religious conservative. I remember Tony Campolo said he was this way when I heard him speak. I believe the words "conservative" and "liberal" have really negative connotations these days. They mean so many different things and practically everyone can take offense at either!
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Posted Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 PM
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Generally speaking, when we as progressives or liberals make a decision, we try to think "what would Jesus do", and follow his example as being compassionate and accepting of all who seek him.
Believe it or not, that's also what conservative Christians try to do (generally speaking).
Folks, we could get into a long argument regarding what Jesus would really do about a lot of subjects -- and about whether liberals or conservatives are nicer people -- but I don't think that would be especially productive on this particular forum. So let's please not go there.
By the way, I just finished reading an interesting little book. It is called: Is the Bible Intolerant? Sexist? Oppressive? Homophobic? Outdated? Irrelevant?, by Amy Orr-Ewing (with a forward by Ravi Zacharias, one of the leading Christian Apologists of our day). Among other things, the book looks at what the Bible (including Jesus) says about topics like war, women's rights, and sexuality. It's an interesting read.
Linda
Moderator
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Posted Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:42 AM
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Believe it or not, that's also what conservative Christians try to do (generally speaking).
If conservative Christians think that gays are sinners, why don't they accept them into the church equally with the rest of the sinners in the church? . . .
Moderator's note: This discussion has been taken to the "Abominable practices or misdirected inspiration" threas in the "Social Issues. . ." category.
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