 Posted Thursday, June 01, 2006 3:35 PM
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Anonymous Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:42 AM,
Aren't you all ignoring a whole galaxy of women who are able to let their husbands 'think' they're running the show?
Assuming you aren't just being humorous, I'm not ignoring that whole galaxy at all. There are far too many husbands, Christian and otherwise, who ignore and thereby abdicate the headship of their homes. It is partially upon that premise that Promise Keepers (PK) was founded.
Contrary to the advise of NOW (National Association of Women*), I think any wife should be encouraging their husband to attend a PK conference. As we say, "Real men love Jesus".
Do Go Be Man
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* also known as the National Organization for Women to those who pay attention while typing. 
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Posted Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:03 PM
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| I love it- instead of NOW it's "NAW" Heehee. Not funny I know.
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Posted Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:18 PM
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Do_Go:
"........who ignore and thereby abdicate the headship of their homes."
You've got your galaxies mixed up or, worse, you don't believe these men exist. I'm speaking of the galaxy of women who don't even 'want' their husbands to take the lead because they (from a feminine perspective) think they can do a better job so have figured out a way to let the poor guys believe they're 'president' of the home. This has to be taking place in a lot of Christian homes (do I dare say 'successfully'?) and I don't believe the PKers would be of much help.
SF
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Posted Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:42 PM
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SF,
You've got your galaxies mixed up or, worse, you don't believe these men exist.
I'm not quite as naive as that. 
I know that "feminists" exist even in Christian circles. In many cases, they may even be right about being able to do a better job. Like I said before, however, Real Men Love Jesus... and follow Him. There are a lot of "macho" men and wimps out there unwilling and unable to fulfill their God-given responsibilities.
Seems like this thread started off at least implying that, to some degree, I dislike strong women. Fact is, I hold great disdain for weak men who can't or won't live up to the standards set by their women much less God's standards.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:42 PM
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| Feminine and 'feminist' are two different words with entirely different definitions. Splitting hairs is not my forte, but here it's important. As in a famous David Niven line when confronted with the statement, 'You could've knocked me over with a feather,' he replied, "This is an entirely different feather." Kudos to anyone remembering the movie.
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Posted Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:06 PM
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SF,
I am shocked that you would raise the specter of such a movie on this forum! Shocked I say! Tis only once in a blue moon that I am so shocked. 
BTW, I entirely agree that "feminine" and "feminist" are often not mutually inclusive.
Do Go Be Man
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P.S. before anyone takes my shock too seriously, please consider the wink and the link.
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Posted Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:42 PM
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I suspect that there are women who "let their husbands 'think' they're running the show" in all walks of life and in many types of churches. I doubt that these women are feminists, because if they were they would probably be fairly assertive and open about their control. I suspect that many of the women who run the show behind the scenes just think (correctly or incorrectly depending on the case) that this is the best way to get things done -- and to keep their husbands happy while getting things done.
When I was a young adult, an older woman I knew well made the comment to me that women really run things, but that they let their husbands think that THEY are making the decisions. This is precisely what SF is talking about. So I agree with SF that there LOTS of women who have much more influence than their husbands realize.
The Bible has set a standard for marriage. This standard includes a husband who leads with his wife's best interests in mind and a wife who is willing to trust and follow her husband's selfless leadership. This really is a great formula if followed correctly. It obviously won't work as well if the husband and/or wife act selfishly within the relationship and don't hold up his/her end of the biblical bargain.
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Posted Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:58 AM
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I agree with Linda that it only works properly if both do their part. But even if it does not work - at all or in part - what counts is the intention behind. If I purposely try to get my way and just make my husband believe that he is the leader this is certainly not what God wants, and it is not a sign of strength of the woman also. There's nothing saying that a wife shouldn't say so if she sees a problem with what her husband wanted or decided, in making suggestions. Maybe she sees things he plain overlooked, and based on her good reasons he could very well change his mind. And respecting the husband as the head of the family must not mean that the husband is to be involved in just everything so he can decide everything. The norm will rather be that they've agreed on areas where each of them will decide on what appears best at the time - and where the wife does it within the agreed area, it's NOT against following her husband - and other areas where they consult each other.
The problem starts where both don't follow the bible, e.g. man becoming a despot, wife undermining his authority, both fighting against each other, hiding things from one another. But that problem is not solved simply by saying that a woman should not follow her husband. Anyways, in these cases, where the husband gravely ignores her well-being, he's not following God's law and she's not bound to follow her husband.
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Posted Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:42 AM
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"Do_Go, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
SF
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Posted Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:33 AM
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