I removed your expletive even though you presented it as a letter followed by some ******* to finish the word. Thinly disguised profanity is still profanity and is not welcome in our discussions.

Regarding your question about why people would stay at Prin when they find great fault with it -- I'm not sure whether you're referring to doubts about CS or to doubts about the way the school is being run (based on the thread in which you've posted your question). I'll answer you as someone who attended Prin in the 1970's, but I suspect current students would agree with much of what I'll say:

• I felt "normal" at Prin. It was refreshing to be in a community of people who understood my CS belief system and worldview. Prin genuinely felt like home.
• Although I had some questions (as most young people do), Prin provided a place where I could be among lots of people who could help me find answers.
• Prin was full of wonderful people and caring professors.
• I got a good education at Prin and was allowed to do undergraduate research that I probably couldn't have done at many other schools.
• Prin had a beautiful campus in a country setting. It was truly a pleasure to live there.
• The food was great.
• I had good friends at Prin.

I could go on, but hopefully you get the idea. Prin has a lot to offer even though it has some major drawbacks. Some students are forced to attend even though they reject CS, but most of the people I knew were glad to be there. And many of us who now reject CS were CS believers when we attended Prin.

As for the current leadership problems -- I doubt that many of the students were aware of a problem when they first started attending. And, even with the leadership problems, there is still much at Prin to attract a young CSist. I'm sure many new students will attend this fall with the expectation that the problems will be worked out.

I hope this helps clarify the issue.

2. Your right. The thread is confusing. But I actually mean to ask about CS itself, not how Principia is run.

3. Does who I am effect the way you respond to questions that just ask for an honest, full, and clear answer?

4. By "drawbacks" are you referring to the fact that it is a CS institution?

5. When you say, "forced to attend," do you mean that some go having been sent there by parents who just want them to go there? If that is the case, is it only parents, or are there other pressures that force these kids to go there? If so, what else is there?

6. Also, what exactly do you mean when you say you "reject" CS? Why don't you just say you don't believe in CS? As someone unfamiliar with the subject, I would have thought that saying, "I rejected Catholicism 10 years ago" means I don't believe it anymore. Do believers in the Christian Way continue to reject CS? If so, how is that?

7. And what leadership problems at Principia are you referring to? Are they the ones listed above?

Please just try to be objective. I'm just researching and want unbiased anaswers. I chose this topic to research partly because I have some friends in CS, so I really want to learn. Thanks.

I'm headed out the door so will just address your last post right now. I'll get back to your questions later on today.

Actually, y** did thinly disguise you* language, just as I have thinl* disguised the word* I have just writ**n here.

 I'm sure that, as you read what I wrote, you automatically filled in the missing letters and, so, read "Actually, you did thinly disguise your language, just as I have thinly disguised the words I have just written here." The same thing happens when letters are left out of inappropriate words. The reader automatically fills in the letters and so ends up reading the inappropriate word even though it is not spelled out. That's why we don't tolerate words with ***'s here. We don't want to read profanity, however it's presented in a post.

I posted a smiley face to let you know my attitude was friendly rather than angry. It was not a judgment about you. We freqently add smiley faces to comments on this forum. We deal with some complex and often emotionally charged subjects, and sometimes the faces help stress the fact that we're trying to maintain a friendly attitude.

Gotta go -- I'll be back later to address your other post.

As co-moderator, I deleted your entire comment regarding language from your post last night. The issue of profanity, thinly disguised or not, is not up for negotiation and is well off topic for this particular area of the forums.

If you are interested in answers to your questions, I will see what I can write later today. I will, however, likely create a new topic to respond. Based on my limited recollection right now, I don't believe they are related to the topic of Scandal at Principia.

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