 Posted Friday, April 13, 2007 3:33 AM
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The following are excerpts from an article entitled "Manipulating our Politicians - Jesuitism at Work in America", culled from the "anti-Romanism" section of the library I inherited from my grandmother, who was C.S. Practitioner. It is copied from THE AMERICAN STANDARD, April 15, 1924, Vol. I, No. 8.
I assert that it is a good example of the paranoia that Christian Scientists can harbor as they "stand porter at the door of their thoughts".
Of course, this Forum, it's moderators, and Christian Way are absolutely NOT responsible for this post, should anybody object:
"The secrets of Jesuitism are the most carefully guarded in the world . . .
"Whenever a Protestant comes into sufficient prominence to be a political factor, the Jesuits single him out for their attention. . . They suggest a a course of action or policy which the Catholic heirarchy desires . . . The ignorant subject of their mental manipulations . . . [has] no defense against it".
"It is possible to suggest disease, discouragement, irritation, fear, doubt, antipathy towards friends . . . until at last the Jesuitism has full control of the mind of its victims."
"The terrible total of crimes, political and civil, of which Jesuitism is the hidden author, would shock the nation were it known."
"Every Roman Catholic mentality is a magnetic conductor and transmitter of Jesuitism".
"America is in serious need of education as to Jesuitism and the occult hypnotic arts of mental manipulation which are practiced here, behind the stone walls of Roman Catholic retreats, which claim immunity from public inspection. We will be unable to solve our political, civil, social and religious problems until Jesuitism is unmasked, and every Jesuit expelled from this country, with all the rest of the alien empire, which owes its allegiance to a foreign potentate, and therefore is fundamentally unfitted to comprehend the meaning of American citizenship."
It also contains a C.S. - style primer on how to "avert" the danger by denying its power to influence a person, when recognized. It begins by: "I recognize you as a Jesuitical suggestion. . ."
Sadly, I remember our family being quite friendly with our Roman Catholic neighbors - but privately copping quite a smug attitude about being a "smart" Christian Scientist, whilst swallowing this ignorant hate-stuff hook, line and sinker.
Birdstrike
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Posted Friday, April 13, 2007 9:01 PM
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| This is sad. Am I correct that the author isn't CS but that the views expressed fit the bias of your CS grandmother?
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Posted Friday, April 13, 2007 10:05 PM
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No, I don't know if the author is C.S. or not, but a "New Thought" influence is unmistakable. I googled the title today, and found a similar hate-site that cites Jack Chick as a "source".
Yes, I can vouch for the fact that it reflected the attitudes of my family and most of the Christian Scientists I knew when I was young. As the Cold War abated, Kennedy didn't sell us out to Rome, and Christian Science began generally falling apart, these attitudes abated significantly, and I'm sure that many of my family members would have distanced themselves from this attitude. But back before, say, 1970, I'd argue that this attitude was predominant. 'Just my opinion, of course.
I found this in a study binder entitled "Title Studies in Christian Science" - To Be Left in the Home" (for obvious reasons! So just who's the secret society!). It contains many articles and anecdotes attributed to Mary Baker Eddy, and other articles by Seeley, Bauman, Greenwood, Linscott and others - mostly from the Journal.
I love the part about "claiming immunity from public inspection" - Just where are Nazi Storm Troopers when we need them?!!
Birdstrike
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Posted Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:36 AM
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| I remember the CS misgivings (paranoia?) about Catholicism too. I think it's a good thing that most people (both CS and non-CS) have a more relaxed attitude about others' beliefs these days.
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Posted Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:23 PM
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| From what many have said, it's clear that the CS culture had a bias against, and a certain paranoia about, Catholicism for most of the 20th Century. Several (myself included) heard that Catholics were praying specifically against CS. I'm wondering what the current climate is in the CS culture regarding Catholics. Can someone still in CS, or someone who has come out of CS within the past couple of years, give some input regarding current feelings on the subject? America is much more pluralistic than it was 20 years ago, and my feeling is that the CS Church is also more relaxed about others' religions (otherwise it wouldn't allow New Age proponents to post on spirituality.com as it did in recent years -- I haven't checked on it lately). In any case, perhaps someone with recent experience in the CS Church can let us know what CSists are hearing about the Catholic Church these days.
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Posted Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:00 PM
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| Hatred of Catholicism in general and paranoia about the Jesuits in particular is something that I, too, recall from my upbringing (b. 1947). BTW, my mother was a practioner who became a CSB when I was in junior high. Considering she practiced in Greenwich, Conn, and NYC--two areas with an abundance of CSBs indicates she was held in particularly high esteem by TMC hierarchy. The anti-Catholic remarks, prejudiced assumptions, and jokes were common, although not a daily occurrence. One thing that comes right to my mind is my father's belief that Catholics were against birth control simply because they wanted to increase their voter base, and it was assumed that Catholics would vote in lock-step with the bishops' instructions. JFK was feared to be an agent of the Vatican to some degree, although we know now he was far from a devout man. My parents were dead-set against any form of interaction between parochial schools and the public school system. A hot-button issue was the matter of public funding for some secular and cultural activities in Catholic schools, such as arts and busing. They were ardent supports of "Americans United For the Separation of Church and State," which turned out to be the work of a kitchen-counter propagandist, at least back then. Later, they transferred their fear and loathing onto Protestant Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. Interestingly, so did "Americans United"!! When I was born again, it sure made things difficult. They could handle me as a falling-down drunk and even (briefly) a wacko left-winger. But a Biblical Christian? HORRORS!!
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Posted Monday, April 16, 2007 7:51 AM
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| Thanks for the input, fH. It's sad that your parents were so against your conversion. I'm wondering how much of the anti-Catholic feeling was a product of the American cultural mindset at the time and how much can specifically be attributed the "CS cultural mindset." For example, did CSists feel that Catholics were mentally malpracticing them more than Protestants and agnostics were? And how do those attitudes transfer to today's culture?
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Posted Monday, April 16, 2007 11:50 AM
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| It's hard to say--it's been a long time! But I think they looked down on Catholics in general and were suspicious of the Jesuits in particular. It's fascinating that they feared Jesuit practice of mental malpractice, when you consider that CS was to be the ultimate and end-all of metaphysics. It could be that the Society of Jesus is (or at least, was) more "secret" and has attracted the most intellectually gifted candidates for holy orders, and then educated them rigorously. A Jesuit was really well trained--since CS is really non- and anti- intellectual, maybe there was an element of jealousy, too. Perhaps it's just that for centuries, the Jesuits were sort of the "Marine Corps" of the Roman Catholic church. And whom would you fear more: a company of regular soldiers, or a squad of Marines?* *Metaphor courtesy of a Marine.
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Posted Sunday, June 19, 2011 2:15 PM
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Being (in) the world and not (of) it requires wisdom. If Roman Catholics are "conduits" for the nefarious purposes of undermining the nation which was built to be free from both mental and physical tyranny the organization known as the catholic church has sought to undermine at every turn .. history serves as the primary teacher as to whether the allegations being presented in the article merit close attention or not.
Based on my studies the article's assertions are sound; and if you want to do a further study of what Catholicism (not Catholics) has done for humanity.. you needn't look any further than the Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The Creation of Islam (as the sword of the church). In fact I understand it was the Pope himself that order Mrs. Eddy's Assassination because so many of his loyal subjects had found refuge in her church. Apparently this was why the by law found its way into the Church Manual. Imagine the leader of the most powerful Organization in the world asking Mrs. Eddy to "step off" now unless your a student of history that should raise a few eyebrows.. apparently.. and unfortunately here it appears to have fallen on deaf ears
Not for nothing .. as well intentioned as this forum appears... it has overtones (in my opinion) of a lot of "nay saying" without any substantive or close attention to the (Historical) record.
Apparently, Mrs. Eddy was profoundly aware of the workings of Catholicism .. and demonology, as well as how ancient pagan mythology's corrupted the church and its teachings. "Paranoid" some of you say ? Hmm peculiar .. is a person "paranoid" because they walk carefully over a minefield because they may get blown apart at any step ? .. Choose your battles wisely ... Mrs. Eddy Apparently knew something that most didn't which is why it appears that many people in CS still haven't figured out that "the world the flesh and the devil" are still at war with "the remnant of her seed".. of course any student of the Bible including Ray Charles could see that.
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Posted Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:32 PM
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These forums are not the place to evaluate the Catholic Church's motives or actions, but I'm interested in your statements:
it was the Pope himself that order Mrs. Eddy's Assassination because so many of his loyal subjects had found refuge in her church. Apparently this was why the by law found its way into the Church Manual.
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.. as well intentioned as this forum appears... it has overtones (in my opinion) of a lot of "nay saying" without any substantive or close attention to the (Historical) record.
Can you give us some references supporting your statement that the Pope tried to have MBE killed?
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