 Posted Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:04 PM
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Dear Anonymous
Yes, I do think it's good to strive to be the best we can be, even while knowing we are imperfect. We have to strive towards a standard. But there is also comfort in accepting and embracing the fact that we are human. That being human is being flawed. MBE says that 'man is not material he is spiritual.' Well this was too big a step for me to take. I'd rather be human than spiritual, even if being human means making mistakes, falling short.
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:13 AM
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You misunderstood my statement. I was not referring to strangers, but to members of the church in which I grew up. I subscribe to my hometown newspaper. My point was that some people who remained in CS were not very INTO CS in the first place. The majority of the families who were very active in our church as far as attendance in church, sunday school, testimony meetings and consultation with my practitioner mother have no children who remained in CS.
My denominational affiliation is Presbyterian. But of course, Presbyterian behavior is not the topic here!
As to whether I, personally, was ever "helped" by CS, the answer is 'no', if by "helped" you mean "healed", or "given relief". And yes, I "practiced very much". I had no choice. I was never offered medical treatment in any form. I suffered for it. I have told my story on this forum.
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:25 AM
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| My God what is wrong with you people? Do you really feel that if you are in a car accident and you are lying by the side of the road and your bone is stiicking out of the skin that Jesus is going to come out of the sky and heal you? No wonder you go from house to house preaching this nonsense. Jesus healed through a type of hypnosis which was very common procedure during that time. The fact that you feel you can do it through prayer is why I will never become a Christian.
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:54 AM
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| Anonymous posters, PLEASE sign something at the end of your post so we can tell you apart from the other "anonymous" posters. It gets really confusing when the people holding a conversation all go by the name "anonymous." No wonder you go from house to house preaching this nonsense. Who said anything about going house to house? Jesus healed through a type of hypnosis which was very common procedure during that time. Ugh...I'd love to see someone raised from the dead through hypnosis. (How DO you hypnotize a dead person?) I'd also love to see a 12-year hemorrhage immediately stopped through hypnosis! Seriously -- many of the maladies that Jesus healed were physical problems that simply COULD NOT respond to a mind trick like hypnosis. The fact that you feel you can do it through prayer is why I will never become a Christian. I think you're confused. It's the Christian Scientists who are claiming to heal broken bones and other physical ailments by prayer alone. Every Christian I know prays but also uses medical care or alternatives like chiropractic, etc. when needed (and that would include when "lying by the side of the road and your bone is stiicking out of the skin"). I think you're confusing the term "Christian" with "Christian Scientist." "Christian Science" the specific religion founded by Mary Baker Eddy. By the way, Christians know that God can, and sometimes does, perform miraculous healings when he chooses to (eg. Jesus' healings and the healings that the Apostled did). But that's not the subject of this particular discussion.
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:41 AM
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| Anonymous September 6, 2007 @ 11:25:28 AM, Your posting appears to represent a mixed bag of concerns. My God what is wrong with you people? In referrring to "you people", I'm not quite sure who you are addressing. Some of your past posts seem to indicate some confusion as to what the Christian Way is. We are a group of people from various denominations who share common interests and concerns regarding Christian Science. We are Christian Scientists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians, Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. Christian Way is not a church, it is a multi-denominational ministry. Do you really feel that if you are in a car accident and you are lying by the side of the road and your bone is stiicking out of the skin that Jesus is going to come out of the sky and heal you? In referring to the car accident victim, a CSist would pray for healing, but would not expect Jesus to come out of the sky. The Bible tells us that Jesus will come out of the sky when He returns, but not to heal bones sticking out of legs. No wonder you go from house to house preaching this nonsense. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are best known for going door to door, not CSists or those this forum mostly represents. Jesus healed through a type of hypnosis which was very common procedure during that time. I've never heard that Jesus was a hypnotist though MBE did study it. Can you provide some documentation on Jesus' credentials as a hypnotist? The fact that you feel you can do it through prayer is why I will never become a Christian. Do you not believe in the power of prayer? Old or New Testament, the power of prayer is pretty well documented. Do Go Be Man
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:02 PM
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| My apologies, Linda. I inadvertently became one of the anonymous posters, thinking I was logged on when I wasn't! The 10:13 am Today post was from Dawn Comes.
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:52 PM
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I too am guilty of being 'anonymous'! I forgot to log in and my post was inadvertently logged in as anonymous.
I was the one who wrote about wanting to be fully human rather than divine, and my reasons for staying with the
church when I had my doubts.
And dear FINAL anonymous person: I don't think anything is wrong with praying over our difficulties. We aren't alone in that. The thing that marks CS as different, is that they don't tend to see medical help as an answer to prayers for their ailments, but rely solely on prayer. That's the rub.
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Posted Friday, September 07, 2007 10:00 AM
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A lot of fair things said about CS, but I just wanted to add that I don't think a CSist would look at their femur sticking out of their leg and try to just pray it off. Most--and I mean, like, all but maybe 1--would get some medical treatment. People make it sound to be so ridiculous out of their own ignorance. I don't think they are anymore brainwashed--a word that seems to be linked with CS all the time--any more than people in other religions. I'll respond to other comments later. Gtg.
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Posted Friday, September 07, 2007 1:37 PM
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| I don't know how long you have been in CS, but over many years, you will see some mighty surprising things regarding what you think "most Christian Scientists would do". I remember seeing some pretty horrible things in my day in the church. I was trying to share the truth with someone once and actually was able to get them to a Wednesday evening service. We unfortuately sat behind someone with ....I kid you not, some sort of rotting flesh. I think my friend was a bit freaked out! It is a most unpleasant smell. (and a health risk to others as well) What you keep hoping to see or hear is about the final beautiful healing that resulted. I can honestly say that the obvious alarming physical problems I saw, I never heard a followup healing. I always wondered if they died, finally got medical help or what? I am not critisizing anyone for attending church if they need healing. That obviously is where they should be. However, the poster seemed to think that "most Christian Scientists" would go to a doctor. I don't know what CS church you go to, or which version of S&H your reading but that just isn't the way the cookie crumbled in my experience with CS.
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Posted Friday, September 07, 2007 7:43 PM
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Did somebody tell you this person was rotting alive? And do you know it was contagious? I respectfully ask because a lot of people smell bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean he/she is rotting alive.
Anonymous 13895
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