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Posted Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:51 PM Post #14206
 

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A Christian Scientist recently made the following statement to some former Christian Scientists:

"I just had a wonderful healing by applying the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy. Do you people heal the sick as Jesus required?"

A friend of mine responded to the CSist and shared his response with me. I am posting it below with his permission:

Dear [name removed].  Thanks for writing.  You ask a very good question.  I hope you will consider the following points in response....
 
1.  Although Jesus did heal the sick because this was a prophecy of the Messiah (Matthew 11:5), and Jesus several times gave his disciples the power to heal, I am not aware of anywhere in the Bible where Jesus required all of his followers to focus their ministry primarily upon healing the sick.  Instead, Jesus emphasized a concern about destruction of the soul far above healing illnesses that might destroy the body:
 
 "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.  But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."   (Luke 12:4-5)

 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."  (Matthew 10:28)'
 
2.  On this point, Mrs. Eddy quotes the first half of John 14:12 in Science and Health, and I'm sure you are familiar with this portion of the verse: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also..."   This is quoted on the walls of some churches.  However, Mrs. Eddy does not mention (and I've yet to see a church wall that mentions) the last half of this verse --"and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."  Jesus raised people from the dead, but are Christian Scientists doing a greater healing work than raising people from the dead?  Obviously not.  Only a healing of the soul can be greater than the physical healings that Jesus did — and this is what he instructed His followers to do.
 
3.  A point that always concerned me during the 25 years I was in Christian Science (even though I obviously never mentioned it to anyone at the time) were the instances in which I failed, and others failed, in seeking healing.  Surely you have had physical problems or other challenges that were not fully resolved through Christian Science.  If not, I'm sure your church has people with glasses, hearing aids, dental work, surgery, and the like which testify to their inability to find a healing in certain areas of their life.  Why does healing fail?  Mrs Eddy said this should not happen -- "If the student adheres strictly to the teachings of Christian Science and ventures not to break its rules, he cannot fail of success in healing."  (Science & Health 448: 26-28) — but yet failures of healing are all around.
 
4.  There are of course some healings in Christian Science.  This is what kept me going in the church for 25 years.  However, when I left the church, I found an amazing thing — the healings continued.  Repeatedly, over and over, I have experienced illness and injury from which I have recovered.  Just recently I had a seemingly debilitating pain in my knee that simply went away after a couple of weeks of taking it easy.  Sometimes I seek medical care, but more often that not the restorative powers of my body simply get better over time.  For 25 years, I attributed these "healings" to Christian Science, but I now know that I was wrong.  Many times, bad things (including illness and injury) simply get better over time.  It happens to everyone.
 
5.  Even if you can't recall a failed healing, and even if you believe that you've had some truly miraculous and otherwise unexplainable healing, surely you must recognize that one day healing will fail you.  Hebrews 9:27 puts it plainly — "it is appointed unto men once to die."  This is the penalty for our sin (Romans 6:23 — "the wages of sin is death").  Because of this, Jesus taught concern over the destruction of your soul far above physical problems or the need for physical healing."
 
The point is that, while the body can never attain a permanent healing, the soul can -- and Jesus was more concerned for our souls than for our bodies. As my friend pointed out, the "greater works" that Jesus talked about must have referred to healing our souls rather than to healing our bodies.
 
When Charles Burke's grandmother, a practitioner, died a terrible death, Charles realized that Christian Science does not heal the soul, which is all that really matters.  His story is on the Christian Way web site at http://www.christianway.org/Personal%20Stories/testimony%20of%20Chrarle%20Burke.htm. It's worth reading.
Posted Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:03 PM Post #14207
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That was put together and explained so well Linda, something to show my CS friend when the time is right. However MBE made claims that she raised the dead, were there any witnesses to these claims? When Jesus raised the dead, healed the sick, fed the thousands and of course the many other deeds performed during his course of ministry, there were the hundreds and thousands to witness these wonderous events.

Thankyou Linda,
Jan
Posted Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:35 PM Post #14208
 

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Jan,

It's been a long time since I looked into the Frye incidents. Apparently there were witnesses when Mrs. Eddy supposedly raised Calvin Frye from the dead. I used the amazon.com "search inside this book" feature for Gill's book, Mary Baker Eddy and came up with a footnote on p. 669 that discusses the Frye incidents. The footnote points out that there was no medical determination that Frye was dead and speculates that Frye might have had some form of epilepsy or hysterical catatonia. In any case, Eddy's followers believed the claims of resurrection and believed that she could raise people from the dead. 

I don't think we can prove that Mrs. Eddy did or didn't raise Calvin Frye, but the doubt raised by the lack of medical diagnosis and the mindset of the witnesses (all being CS and probably not in a position to objectively or medically determine whether he was dead) makes me appreciate the resurrections that Jesus did. Jesus let Lasarus remain dead for three days before bringing him back to life. He raised a boy during his funeral -- when he was undeniably dead. I'm glad He left no doubt about these healings.

Posted Sunday, December 23, 2007 6:00 AM Post #14210
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Thanks Linda,

Have you read the following that appears on the net - googling will find some of the reports of Mrs. Eddy's healing work compiled by Arthur F. Fosbery, an early Christian Scientist.

A Brief Account of Spiritual Healing by Mrs. Eddy
MARY BAKER EDDY'S HEALING WORK

An interesting read but not sure on content reliability.


Jan
Posted Sunday, December 23, 2007 3:01 PM Post #14212
 

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Jan,

I just read about halfway through the list of healings attributed to Mrs. Eddy. I recongize a lot of names (for example, people published in the "We Knew Mary Baker Eddy" series) and I've seen some of these testimonials elsewhere. Can't know whether they're true (seems like a awful lot of "raising from the dead" stories...). Some of them strike me as "credible" as the stories she told of being levitated off the bed and being audibly called by God as a child. Many cult leaders and founders of doctrinally aberrant religions are surrounded by fantastic stories that supposedly validate their teachings, so I tend to be a bit skeptical.

In any case, nothing in these stories fits the "greater works than these" that Jesus talked about.

Posted Tuesday, December 25, 2007 12:48 AM Post #14213
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Linda,

Very well put. I had another point about CS healings. While raised in CS I was taught that a physical healing would occur once the false belief was 'overcome'. I saw many healings of common colds (which most likely can be attributed to the bug running its course). Yet CS who claimed these healings would go on to suffer from colds again and again each winter. If a believer truly 'overcomes' something once, it seems illogical to me that they would have to keep overcoming the same false belief again and again. The repetition of the exercise tells me the original healing was only temporary - which constitutes a remission, not a healing. I haven't met a CS yet (or anyone else for that matter) who beat the common cold once and for all!











Posted Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:51 PM Post #14215
 

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If a believer truly 'overcomes' something once, it seems illogical to me that they would have to keep overcoming the same false belief again and again.

Good point. Apparently the spiritual insights gained during the healing process are hard to keep...

Posted Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:09 PM Post #14216
 

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Because of the CSists ignorance of medical science, they don't know that there are about 130 common cold viruses that we gain immunity from as our immune system fights them off over the course of our life. Thus the reason that many CSists claim that it was "Divine Science" that has lessened the frequency of their colds as they grow older. In reality it was the divine science of their body's God-given natural function that works despite their ignorance.

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Posted Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:27 PM Post #14218
 

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There are many explanations for CS "healing."  Some are comon-sensible, others are exotic.   I believe that a great many, maybe most, will fall into these two:

1)  "The Fellowship of the Fittest," which I name without apology to Darwin.  I believe that people with robust constitutions and a strong immune system will be comfortable in CS.  They may be brought up in it, and marry other CS'ists, and continue the propgagation of children with this fortunate virtue of natural health.  (I identify myself as one.  I have to guard against reacting to my wife's illness as though they were some kind of moral failing!)

2) Unconscious (and sometimes deliberate) desire to conform to the CS mindset of healing.  Testimonies are the currency of value in CS.  If you have them, you "rate," and if you don't, well.....   Members will stretch facts (espeically "diagonses" and "recoveries" for dramatic effect.  Thus, symptoms before the "healing" are magnified, and symtoms after it minimized or otherwise dismissed.

My favorite example of this was the case of a favorite Sunday School teacher of mine.  He had remarkable testimonies, including the healing of blindness following a hit on his tank in WWII.  When he abandoned his wife, she gleefully told the rest of the congregation that he made them all up!   (Of course, her objectivity is suspect.)

Posted Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:57 PM Post #14335
 

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Hi Linda,

Your second point does not sufficiently address the issue. Below are my comments.

Linda (12/22/2007)
2. Jesus raised people from the dead, but are Christian Scientists doing a greater healing work than raising people from the dead?  Obviously not. 

This point evades the issue and points to the personal lives of Christian Scientists rather than acknowledging the actual text. It should be understood that adherents of Christian Science do not claim to have figured it all out (at least in my experience), nor do they claim to have practiced Christian Science perfectly. Assuming for the sake of argument that Christian Science is true (and I am not in any way supporting that assertion), the lack of spectacular healings in Christian Science would simply mean that Christian Scientists are not practicing Science correctly. 

Only a healing of the soul can be greater than the physical healings that Jesus did — and this is what he instructed His followers to do.
 
I suppose. It depends on your definition of "greater." I agree that the acts of Jesus as recorded in the King James Version of the Holy Bible are pretty hard to beat, but there are a number of fantastic scenarios that one could conjure up that would rival the account in Scripture and could arguably be called "greater" in one sense. Imagine reconstituting a body obliterated by a ballistic missile, for example. Plus, the statement in Scripture isn't "He that believeth on me shall do greater works than mine," but "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also," with the qualification that followers would do these works in addition to ones even more spectacular. I realize that my explanation is a little tangled, so ask me to clarify it if it doesn't make any sense.
 
Linda, I'd very much like to hear your direct analysis of the John 14:12. To date, I don't think I've heard a full and open mainstream Christian interpretation of this passage, so your thoughts are appreciated.
 
Thank you very much!
 
Leonarde
 
 
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