 Posted Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:29 PM
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cs4me (7/13/2009)
I'm sorry to hear that you wasted so much of your life in a religion that you did not understand and did nothing for you. I was raised in Christian Science, raised 3 kids in it and had healings of every thing that has needed healing physically and in relationships, business, financial etc. In all my upbringing (and both my parents are staunch practicing Christian Scientists) I was never raised to be afraid of medicine or hospitals and have always had the understanding that if I find myself in a situation that I cannot meet spiritually- I must do something. Just recently a dear Member of our local church had unexpected surgery. As soon as anyone in the church found out they sent cards and flowers and made calls of encouragement. The member told me that his family (non CS) were so impressed with all the love and support that was shown and in fact those were the only cards etc. he received. I'm not going to waste a lot of time writing all of the wonderful things I have experienced because I sense that this site is really for false Christians just trying to push their own personalviewsand will trash any set of beliefs that do not fit in their narrow opinions.
It's nice that your church sent cards and flowers to the lady in the hospital. But the attitude shown in your post is exactly what contributed to my leaving the CS church. The fact that I had family members die under CS care does not seem to arouse your compassion -- instead you become defensive and tell me I just wasted my time not understanding Christian Science. This is the usual reaction I receive from practicing Christian Scientists. If I or a loved one is not healed of something and dies, the CS folks I know will not show compassion. They will list all the healings THEY had and say it's all due to my lack of understanding. And this is not just a few CS -- my teacher (CSB) reacted this same way to the death of the Swan child, saying that the lack of understanding on the part of the two-year-old child and his parents was the reason the healing did not take place and the child died. And my teacher is now on the board of The Mother Church.
And that is the attitude that turns me off the CS church. We could argue doctrine all day long, and it wouldnt' matter. The attitude is that if bad things happen in your life, it's all your own fault for not understanding the religion. I fail to see any love, compassion or human feeling in that attitude, and I want no part of such a cold, unfeeling church no matter how many cards they send.
Ann
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Posted Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:32 PM
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To Mr or Ms CSer and anyone else who is interested,
Compassion?
What if there was a decrepit old train loaded with hundreds of families who spent several years saving up the money to flee from a war torn city, and shockingly there was a terrible train wreck and dozens of children, parents and frail old people were killed and a hundred people severely injured, the rest of the people emotionally traumatized. People immediately began helping each-other bandage the wounded, console the bereaved and rant about the decrepit, unsafe condition of the old train and the irresponsibility of the engineer. A fleet of ambulances and doctors was sent for, but a passerby who happens to be an assistant to the Mayor of the city that the people are fleeing from decides to get out of his car, climb into the train, push his way through all the crying and bleeding people and the smoking, hot rubble, and get on his soap box and shout about how great his city is, how nice his people are to him, and how the people on the train are just a bunch of belly-aching, stupid, bitter cry babies, and how they all should just shut-up and go back to where they came from and behave themselves. .. ..
Well, in my belly-aching "bitter" point of view that's what these "compassionate" Christian Scientists sound like on this site, and it turns my stomach. True religion isn't about getting your "theology straight" it's about giving of yourself to your fellow man, something that CSers were never taught to do.
So ..... Dear Mr or Ms CSer since you are not injured or bleeding externally or internally and you are so healthy and blessed, then get off your useless soap box and do something helpful to stop the bleeding of others !!!!!!!
no moreCS4me
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Posted Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:39 PM
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I'm wondering if you share a belief in predestination and election and what has been called "eternal security". The latter is sometimes stated this way: once saved, always saved. I have always been keen on a verse in the New Testament that states "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." and one of my favorite New Testament letters is the epistle attributed to James. In that letter there's discussion of the relationship of faith to works. I also think that predestination and election raises the issue of free will and determinism. again subjects that raise questions of a philosophic nature. Thanks. I have read a number of your posts and like your cogency and sincerity.
Peace & goodwill,
Tony
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Posted Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:20 PM
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Tony,
I do believe in election and in "eternal security," although these are topics better discussed in the "doctrinal..." forum rather than in the "recovery and health issues" forum.
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Posted Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:16 PM
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| Starting doubting the power of god and the fact that you are perfect is where your problem began.
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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:25 PM
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C.S and proud (9/22/2009)
Starting doubting the power of god and the fact that you are perfect is where your problem began.So you think he has a problem? Hmmm sounds contradictory to me, either "problems" exist or they dont, which is it? Do you ever make mistakes? Do you ever apologise, or are you just perfect?
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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:15 PM
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| Of course i am perfect we all are. Problem was a bad choice of words.. I guess i meant to say that that is where he began to live as man instead of in spirit.
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Posted Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:26 PM
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C.sand proud (9/23/2009)
Of course i am perfect we all are. Problem was a bad choice of words.. I guess i meant to say that that is where he began to live as man instead of in spirit.Do you ever make mistakes?
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Posted Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:24 AM
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| mortal man makes mistakes yes. But I strive everyday to turn away from mortal man. Mortal error. When you choose the material things whatever they may be you are making it is a mortal error but I do not live in my mistakes. I live spiritually and the mortal errors disappear they can not continue to reoccur if their is nobody to participate then they become unreal. It is like a bad word if nobody used that word it would ceases to exist. If it was never said what meaning would it have? If you go to a foreign country and say the words nobody knows then that means they are not real to them. And that is how I look at sin. If people choose not to participate in sin it to would cease to exists.
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Posted Friday, September 25, 2009 9:14 AM
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Anonymous (9/24/2009)
mortal man makes mistakes yes. But I strive everyday to turn away from mortal man. Mortal error. When you choose the material things whatever they may be you are making it is a mortal error but I do not live in my mistakes. I live spiritually and the mortal errors disappear they can not continue to reoccur if their is nobody to participate then they become unreal.
That works just fine with colds and things that go away on their own. But when the "moral error" does NOT disappear, then what?
Christian Science gives the illusion that you have control over everything that happens to you. That can sound wonderful. Except when something comes along (as it does in life) that is NOT within your control, and then you are told that it was due to your lack of understanding.
In other words, all your fault. And don't tell me that all mortal error will disappear -- I was a 4th generation Christian Scientist, Principia graduate, class-taught, a practitioner and Reader, and believe me -- even Christian Scientists eventually die of SOMETHING. Too often, sooner rather than later.
Ann
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