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Posted Monday, June 23, 2008 9:13 PM Post #14808
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There are 1,026,501,000 Roman Catholics and 316,445,000 Protestants in the world. There are, what, 100,000 CS in the world. I would not be surprised in the least that you would run across unfeeling Christians. The odds are that you would. I haven't ever run across a christian scientist at all- or even heard of one, really, until I somehow ended up married to one. The one I married is cold, unfeeling, emotionally reserved. His parents were the same. They always had a smile on their faces and nothing negative to say. But, underlying that smile is pain and failure. I know it. I see it. It stinks.
Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:43 AM Post #14809
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There are 1,026,501,000 Roman Catholics and 316,445,000 Protestants in the world. There are, what, 100,000 CS in the world. I would not be surprised in the least that you would run across unfeeling Christians. The odds are that you would. I haven't ever run across a christian scientist at all- or even heard of one, really, until I somehow ended up married to one. The one I married is cold, unfeeling, emotionally reserved. His parents were the same. They always had a smile on their faces and nothing negative to say. But, underlying that smile is pain and failure. I know it. I see it. It stinks.


That does stink. It sounds like a family problem, not a CS problem. I've met CSers like that, but I think there were other things going on there.

G
Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:14 AM Post #14810
 

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It sounds like a family problem, not a CS problem. I've met CSers like that, but I think there were other things going on there.

The problem with Christian Science is that, even when people ARE kind and caring, they often can't be kind and caring on what I call a "gut level." They may care about you, but when you are sick they instinctively put up emotional walls as they "know" your perfection. They can't validate your emotional needs because they can't acknowledge that your problem is real. And you can't really pour your heart out to them (as sick people sometimes need to do becaue they need for someone to understand what they are going through) because you know that the Christian Scientist either doesn't want to hear it or will instinctively block out (or simply minimize) what you are saying. The emotional walls built in Christian Science are subtle but powerful, even when those walls are built between nice people who really think they're caring about each other.

Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:39 AM Post #14811
 

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Linda is right.  That behavior is classic Christian Scientists.  From what I was taught, you are not to get into their "dream" and to do so is called sympathetic malpractice.  I would surmise that not too many families outside of Christian Science are afraid of sympathetic malpractice and getting into someone else's dream.
Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:45 AM Post #14812
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Gentle Dove (6/24/2008)
Linda is right. That behavior is classic Christian Scientists. From what I was taught, you are not to get into their "dream" and to do so is called sympathetic malpractice. I would surmise that not too many families outside of Christian Science are afraid of sympathetic malpractice and getting into someone else's dream.


Ok, I can see what you guys are saying. I've seen some of that and can see how it stems from their core beliefs.

So, what about mainstream Christians and their belief in Hell? I would say some of the earlier mentioned negative experiences with Christians I've had stem from their belief that I was going to Hell. If they try to be nice and loving about it there's still an amount of pity and condescension over something that, to me, is imaginary.

G
Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:29 PM Post #14813
 

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I would say some of the earlier mentioned negative experiences with Christians I've had stem from their belief that I was going to Hell. If they try to be nice and loving about it there's still an amount of pity and condescension over something that, to me, is imaginary.

I can't speak to how specific Christians treated you since I didn't see it. But I do suspect that their attitude toward you was different from what I'm talking about with Christian Scientists. Christian Scientists negate a person's present reality and emotional needs by essentially saying (thinking, acting as if, etc.) "the problem you think you are having is not real. It is no part of you. Don't feel the way you are feeling. If you would just correct your thinking, you wouldn't be seeming to suffer." CSists misunderstand, or refuse to even acknowledge, much of what makes a person who they are on a daily basis. That's different from the salvation issue; Christians don't deny the reality of a person's human experience, regardless of whether they think that person is going to heaven or hell.

Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:49 PM Post #14814
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Linda (6/24/2008)
I would say some of the earlier mentioned negative experiences with Christians I've had stem from their belief that I was going to Hell. If they try to be nice and loving about it there's still an amount of pity and condescension over something that, to me, is imaginary.


I can't speak to how specific Christians treated you since I didn't see it. But I do suspect that their attitude toward you was differentfrom what I'm talking about with Christian Scientists. Christian Scientists negatea person's present reality andemotional needs by essentially saying (thinking, acting as if, etc.) "the problem you think you are having is not real. It is no part of you. Don't feel the way you are feeling. If you would just correct your thinking, you wouldn't be seeming to suffer." CSists misunderstand, or refuse to even acknowledge, much of what makes a person who they are on a daily basis.That's different from the salvation issue; Christians don't deny the reality of a person's human experience, regardless of whether they thinkthat person is going to heaven or hell.


True, but my point is that they are both equally poor ways to treat someone.

G
Posted Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:21 PM Post #14815
 

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G,

... what about mainstream Christians and their belief in Hell? ...

The problem with the question starts with the fact that the Bible provides our most credible descriptions of Hell. Accepting Biblical teachings as lies leads to some pretty scary conclusions such as eternal separation from God. Hell is eternal separation from God, so even if the Bible is false then Hell is true.

No Christian has ever condemned anyone to Hell. We couldn't do that if we wanted to. That's just something that comes along with being human. We are natural born sinners incapable of being suitable company for God on our own. As such, we start off condemned, dead in our sins, and unable to do anything about it on our own.

Thank God, He is just and merciful!

Do Go Be Man
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Posted Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:35 AM Post #14816
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Do_Go_Be_Man (6/24/2008)
G,

The problem with the question starts with the fact that the Bible provides our most credible descriptions of Hell. Accepting Biblical teachings as lies leads to some pretty scary conclusions such as eternal separation from God. Hell is eternal separation from God, so even if the Bible is false then Hell is true.

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I'm telling you, it's not that scary over here on the "Godless" side. The world is more beautiful when you accept that it's a mystery.

Wait, if the Bible is false about Hell, it's still true about Hell? That's pretty circular. What if it's wrong about Hell and there is no Hell?

Also, are you saying I'm living in Hell right now? If so, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I know you don't condemn me to Hell, but you know I'm going to Hell or live a life of Hell. I don't.

G
Posted Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:28 AM Post #14818
 

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G,

I'm telling you, it's not that scary over here on the "Godless" side. The world is more beautiful when you accept that it's a mystery.

The world is beautiful and mysterious. While we may not agree on how or who created it, it came to exist somehow. While I still have a lot to understand, God provides the best explanation my little brain can comprehend. Much easier than trying to understand such beauty and order coming from empty chaos.

Wait, if the Bible is false about Hell, it's still true about Hell? That's pretty circular. What if it's wrong about Hell and there is no Hell?

Not circular at all. What I said was, "Hell is eternal separation from God, so even if the Bible is false then Hell is true." If the Bible is false then you're probably right about Creation being Godless. Thus, whether the Bible is true or false, we are apart from God unless He does something about our separation.

Also, are you saying I'm living in Hell right now? If so, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I know you don't condemn me to Hell, but you know I'm going to Hell or live a life of Hell. I don't.

In the context of my comment, if you are apart from God then you are in Hell. Words can be used in many ways. I suppose that the more specific and theologically accurate connotation of "Hell" would be about eternal life after living life on Earth. Describing yourself as Godless, I presume that you don't believe in eternal life so therefore see no need to be concerned about it. That is your decision and your right.

From my perspective, when you find yourself face-to-face with God, you're going to experience quite a shock and likely entirely rethink your theology. I'll probably also experience a level of shock and rethink some of my theology. The shock is the difference between theory and experience. The character of the shock is the differences in theology.

Regarding your unapproved later post...
Ah, sorry. I don't mean to debate Christianity, that isn't the purpose of your site. I'll stop.

Could you please remind me about your connection to Christian Science? While mutually respectful discussion of Christianity is a privilege, you're right that the purpose of this site does have the commonality of our mutual experience with Christian Science.

Do Go Be Man
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