 Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:33 PM
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| Dear Inzane99, I did not mean to express any opinion re. what you want to talk about or not. It's not my place. I just hope things will be better for you.
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Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:38 PM
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| Dear Inzane99, I do relate to your story so much. I remember having a third degree burn on the top of my foot when I was 9 years old. My cousin had spilled a pot of boiling jam my aunt was making right on my foot. Of course, nothing was done, no salve, no cream, nothing. And it got terribly infected, so much so that I literally couldn't put any weight on it. I remember hopping on one foot around after my mother as she went shopping. The only attention she gave me with that or any illness was to tell me to "straighten out my thinking", or maybe she would call the practitioner. There are painful memories, and it does help to read other's stories and know that you are not the only one who went through it. Sharon
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Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:39 PM
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| inzane99, I'm glad you found my post helpful. The "validation issue" is huge for a lot of people who grew up in CS. Tomorrow I'll try to start a thread about the effect that CS can have on children. (I'm out of time tonight.) Rosebud, What is the correct premise? What is the best starting point; isn't it Love? The premise to which I was referring was that "the material world is a misconception to be overcome." That premise simply isn't in the Bible -- it's Mrs. Eddy's invention. She also limits God by only acknowledging His "Love" side while ignoring His justice, His hatred of sin, etc. If you'd like to discuss this further, I'd be happy to take it to a new thread in the "Doctrinal and Bible Related Issues" category. (Sorry to cut this short, but I'm out of time tonight but don't want to wait any longer before responding to you.)
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Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:47 PM
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Rosebud3,
... could it be possible that a system improperly applied or misunderstood could result in such awful effects ...
Certainly any system can be abused. CS is not unique in that. That's one reason I prefer to differentiate between the doctrinal and cultural perspectives of CS.
As a CSist, I sought the purity of MBE's teachings. Thus, I noticed the differences in practice among those who relied upon the culture of CS for their understanding of CS. I was the sort who wanted to understand the source before accepting someone's application of what they alleged to be CS.
Let's suppose that someone goes to med school, spends their requisite time in internship and residency, hangs out their shingle, and begins offering voodoo potions to their patients who subsequently die of mysterious ailments. Would we expect the Board of Medical Examiners to support the doctor's credentials to continue practicing medicine? Well, maybe some would have such expectations, but they shouldn't and that's not my point.
Suppose that doctor lost patients in spite of applying his best medical skills in accordance with the best practices of his peers in his field of practice and geographical area? As an RN you probably recognize elements of the legal definition of negligence.
Many CSists including friends of mine have died unnecessarily because their practitioners, their own understanding of CS, and cultural fears prevented them from seeking care other than CS. Too many CSists fail to apply the best practices represented by MBE's teachings causing their care to be neither CS or medical.
Thus, the dangers of the cultural practice of CS should be clear. I fear that the cultural practice of CS exceeds the doctrinal practice.
The doctrinal practice of CS also has its dangers. In addition to the avoidance of repeatable, proven healing methods based on the scientific method, CS doctrine also adulterates God's word and Jesus' teachings.
As I'm sure you know far better than I do, medical science is not perfect. Practitioners of medical science (art) are not perfect and cannot heal everyone who comes to them for help. A big difference between CS and medicine, however, is that ethical, knowledgeable medical practitioners seek to learn from mistakes and submit themselves to peer review and continued education. CSists continue to make mistakes in a vacuum and fail to submit to a non-existent review process.
Ever heard of a CS postmortem or Morbidity and Mortality conference? Journals of medicine document results, provide opportunity for peer review, and encourage examination of processes. The Journal of Christian Science generally teaches the same thing expecting different results. There are the occasional few abusive CS practitioners who cannot escape attention, but not many as they work without supervision or vocational contact with peers.
Based on anecdotal evidence and experience, I contend that a larger percentage of medical practitioners who abuse the system are encouraged to seek other vocations than CSists who abuse the system. While the abuses of medicine are generally temporal, the abuses of CS are often eternal as well.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:29 PM
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Dear Linda,
Yes, I would like to discuss this. I am having a lot of trouble in my home because my husband is using God's hatred and justice, as you call it, as a way to continue verbal and mental abuse of myself and my daughter. Hardly anyone meets his standard and he is full of hate and violence , he says , but this is okay because he's saved etc. or God loves him and he is righteous and that's the kind of person he is. If God is like him and what he describes I would be happy to go to Hell. I've been living with first physical abuse, then divorce, now mental abuse after remarriage. I can't stand "his God". It seems like the same old tape with a "new face on it". And guess what, he's read the Bible about 8 times and just wrote his own seif-published book. It was a very angry and somewhat vulgar book in the beginning but a lot of us helped him to turn that round so the good parts were digestible. Ughh.
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Posted Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:34 PM
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Do Go Be Man,
Thank-you for such a well thought out and time consuming response. I will have to go over it a few times before I can really digest it and see if I need to say something back. Thanks for your time and attention.
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Posted Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:43 PM
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| Dear Linda, I wrote a response and I forgot to log-in so it's going to come up anonymous.
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Posted Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:57 PM
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| Rosebud3, Yes, I would like to discuss this. I am having a lot of trouble in my home because my husband is using God's hatred and justice, as you call it, as a way to continue verbal and mental abuse of myself and my daughter. It sounds like your husband is misrepresenting God. I won't have much time to post in the next couple of days as I'm going on a short trip and won't have much computer time. But I'll will give you some thoughts when I return.
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Posted Friday, May 30, 2008 6:35 AM
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Rosebud3,
It sounds like your husband is misrepresenting God. (Linda)
I totally agree with Linda. To be as reserved as I can be on this issue, spousal and child abuse are almost as low as a man can go (rape and murder are in the same neighborhood, in my opinion). It has nothing to do with living a Christian life.
If he were in a church that practices church discipline such as mine does, he would be meeting with the Elders for some remedial Christian education. If I were to speak with him, I would also recommend some time with a Christian counselor and immersing himself in Promise Keepers in the company of Christian brothers. He appears to think he's read and understood God's word on his own, but he needs some serious guidance.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Friday, May 30, 2008 12:11 PM
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| Do Go Be Man, Thank-you. Unfortunately for my husband the men's group he was in each week has disbanded. They were remnants of a fundamentalist Presbyterian Church and the former Pastor is getting very old and is a real Alpha male. Someone went against what he was teaching them when they found out the material was by an agnostic and he was so angry that my husband was afraid the Pastor would have a heart attack. Then the Pastor just didn't talk to them for a bit and he seems to really be playng a trip on my husband. What was kind of nice yesterday was a man rom a Baptist church near-by just happened to have our house as a calling house and I discussed some of this "battle of wills" with him and he talked about Jesus rebuking Peter for cutting of the Roman soldier's ear. I hardly ever answer the door, especially not to a guy, but he was kind of shining with the spirit and it seemed right. Also he just lightly tapped on the door, it's a wonder I even heard it. I guess I just think God will find a way to get through to us in troubled times. And it helped me to see that he was from a different religion but he was not pushing God , just kind and welcoming. My husband has a number of born again male friends, one across the street but he just can't seem to find a way to fit and he certainly would not go to counseling anymore or anything like it, so that's where it's at. I think it is sad that people can be insecure and use God as an excuse for behaviour and not see what they are doing. I suppose all of this is getting of topic of this web-site but it helps to talk about it.
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