 Posted Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:57 AM
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I will send you each the new lyrics. I look forward to reading them.
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Posted Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:39 PM
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I also enjoyed your parody, Swingdancer!
Anonymous (1/10/2009)
Maybe you need to improve your conscious contact with God as you understand him if you are not getting your healings. I am truly grateful to God for the inclusion of Mary Baker Eddy's Science in this wonderful life.
I do not intend to offend you, but I find you quite patronizing in your statement your assumption that lifelong, class-taught, in depth study of Science that most of us on this site have in our backgrounds is not equal to your understanding. Since I was raised in Science, fourth generation, voluntarily joined the branch and Mother Church at 12, attended the A/U camps, went to Principia, went through Class Instruction, was working towards being a full time practitioner, and was Second Reader in my church -- just how much more would you have liked me to do to improve my "conscious contact?" And many of the other members of this site have similar backgrounds. Believe me, we have studied and explored and used Science for many, many years -- in fact, for me and others, it was our automatic response to all problems, since we were raised in it, and like me, many on this site had parents and grandparents (and great-grandparents) who were in CS also, so it was natural for us to turn to it, both consciously and unconsciously.
Oh, I forgot -- if we're healed, it's due to God and Mary Baker Eddy (not necessarily in that order) -- if we are not, it's our own fault, and we must be doing something wrong.
It's exactly this kind of "blame the victim" thinking that moved me to finally leave the church.
Ann
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Posted Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:44 PM
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Regarding Anonymous' post of Jan 11.
'I have had a cavity in a tooth fill in after the prayer of a practitioner. I have walked on a severely injured ankle within minutes of a fall. I have walked away from a car wreck with little or no injuries. Before Christian Science, I could do none of these things."
The problem I have when people of ANY religion say things like the above, is that it is so spiritually arrogant as well as bigoted. Healing reports come from all corners, all religions, New Age, and spontaneous remissions from non religious people. I am sorry that certain religious people think that they have the secret to healing, the only good healing is a prayer healing, or more specifically in this instance a Christian Science healing; it is such a lack of respect for other devout believers or the non believer whose personhood deserves just as much respect as the religious person. Maybe the most important healing that needs to be done is the spirit of arrogance and exclusivity. To pose the idea that the sun only shines on the just and the Son only heals the believer is not spiritual.
Thanks for reading this. This is my first post here. I have been reading a lot of posts and getting warmed up to post my most current C.S. question. Yes, I am a former C.Sist
May you all feel the wonderful blessings of God.
A. Mouse
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Posted Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:16 PM
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To Swingdancer, you made my day!
First time I haven't gotten a stomach ache while reading something that sounded like it came from the head of MBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have another riddle .... "there is no life, truth, intelligence or substance in matter, all is infinite mind and ..... so on and so forth. Well, ol silly sinful me, I could never get what the dribble she was saying. If all is "Infinite Mind" then matter is "Infinite Mind" too. How refreshing! How could it be a dream (as she insists a million times in her books,) unless "Infinite Mind" is a dream? Or am I again missing something here, as I always did in Sunday School?
As I study quantum mechanics and quantum physics I have learned that intelligence is in every single molecule, therefore my entire body is flesh colored intelligence. I like it! I like it! But I am sure that MBE's students will tell me I am dead wrong. Whoops, they don't talk like that do they? They let people die right before their eyes but it is a no no to use the word "dead". Have I got it right?
Again Swingdancer ya made m'day! Please do write some songs and post them on YouTube!
Enjoy God's perfect medicine of laughter.....
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Posted Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:17 PM
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The problem I have when people of ANY religion say things like the above, is that it is so spiritually arrogant as well as bigoted. Perhaps arrogant, but I'm not sure I see where such comments are bigoted. In any case, it's nice to meet you, A. Mouse. I look forward to hearing more about you.
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Posted Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:33 PM
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anony mouse (2/15/2009)
Regarding Anonymous' post of Jan 11.
'I have had a cavity in a tooth fill in after the prayer of a practitioner. I have walked on a severely injured ankle within minutes of a fall. I have walked away from a car wreck with little or no injuries. Before Christian Science, I could do none of these things."
Also, I wanted to point out these facts:
If your nutrition is good, it is possible for a cavity to heal, because the dentin can grow over the spot. My best friend was a dental technician in the Air Force, and when I told her this was what had happened to one of my teeth, she agreed that this is possible, only most people eat too much sugar and have bad nutrition so it doesn't happen much in the modern world. However, if a tooth really does more or less fill in a cavity, there is nothing about it that could not happen without prayer or any spiritual intervention.
I too have walked off a bad ankle twist or fall. I'm sure nearly everyone has.
I have walked away from three car wrecks with no more than bruises. It had nothing to do with Christian Science -- these all happened more than 20 years after I left the church.
Unfortunately, my grandfather, uncle, ex-husband, and other relatives were NOT healed of cancer, liver disease, and other illnesses, despite being devout Christian Scientists and attempting to handle the "beliefs" with the help of practitioners and their own study. They all died.
Ann
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Posted Monday, February 16, 2009 3:31 AM
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Thanks Linda for the reply.
It will be nice to get to know you and other people on this site too, although it is pretty painful at times to be reminded of how bad it was and still is for us and others, it is a healing tool to read and post.
Thanks for the dedicated work you have been doing all these years. Even when we were CSists we were doing good work because it was from pure hearts, we just didn't know we were following a warped drum beat.
That's another thing that is so sad about the die-hard radical CSists, I truly believer that they really are some of the most well meaning people in the world, they just don't know what they got themselves in to. It's a strong psychological mind game.
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Posted Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:42 AM
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Dear Anonymous... It's nice to hear from a CSer who won't bite my head off for having left, or saying why! I take it from your polite and sincere response (post #15455 I think), that you've had a lot of benefit from CS. I feel sorry when people discount real life experience, or lash out at someone innocent because of internal bitterness. Sorry you had to get that reaction. (I'll probably get my head bit off for saying that too, but I don't care: it needed to be said.) If we don't act like Christians once we've left CS, what was the point of leaving? To lose ground? To get worse? I hope not!
I need to say that there is a certain amount of closeness to God that it takes to find healing in his presence. My CS Sunday School teachers taught different methods of finding that. Radical reliance was a catch phrase from one of the chapters in Science and Health. I'm sure you know the one. You could have radical reliance without necessarily having the freedom to do everything in a radical way. It was all possible internally, mentally.
Sometimes healings don't come, though, and it isn't the fault of the student, or persons praying. Sometimes God's answer is actually "No" or "Not yet." My experience, though, was that it was sometimes, not most of the times.
Father Frances MacNutt wrote a book called "Healing" which you would probably agree with and like. Though he writes from a Roman Catholic point of view, Christian in terms and beliefs, he has hit on the major parts that it takes to be ready to ACCEPT the healing that God so eagerly wants to give. I expect you'll translate that into something that accords with Christian Science, and that's fine. To be expected. I've found that a number of religions say similar things, but with entirely different terms so that people don't even realize they've agreed! Funny. So anyway, Mr. MacNutt (dropped the Fr.) has a ministry which can be found online... and he has a wife, with permission from the Pope. Don't know the details, but their work is very interesting.
As for people being offended at the "condescension" that baffles me. What you said wasn't harsh or demeaning. If anything it was gentle. And if they're out of CS, why do they care? Do I detect some pride in the CS pedigree & credentials? If so, you should be flattered.
God does the healing, and I'm glad to hear you say it. There are some conversations I'd love to have with you, about the reasons for my leaving CS. However, I don't want to anger you or risk shaking your faith in God. Whatever you do, keep that. God heals people outside of CS all the time. A lot of people don't ask or want to hear about it, but it's true. If it was ever God healing BEFORE when I was in CS, why shouldn't he still be healing my family and I AFTER I left? I never left God... or his Good Book. And I love the closer relationship I have with Jesus these days. That's something else I never dreamed of.
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