Posted Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:32 PM
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| I am not a Christian Scientist, but the mother of my daughter is. As a result, my daughter attends Principia. I'm Catholic, though I've never been terribly devout. I thought a Christian school would be a good thing for my daughter's enrichment. But what I see happening around her terrifies me. Since I'm not a Christian Scientist, my daughter relieves medicine when needed and vitamins regularly. She understands the importance of exercise and nutrition, and has regular visits to a doctor. She's extremely healthy, and stands in stark contrast to most of her classmates; most of whom seem undernourished, unkempt, and slightly less joyful. I'm sure they're delightful children, but it disheartens me to see them walking around in clothes with holes, unwashed hair, untreated vision problems, etc. when (and when I began noticing this I was extremely horrified) their mothers are walking campus with Gucci sunglasses and Coach purses, or driving their state-of-the-art minivans while their children are wearing sandals in the winter. And then I began relieving the emails: telling me to ignore reports of a potential child predator on campus, to allow my daughter to maintain her normal routine without protection and to instead "pray for his truth." I relieved mails that obviously indicated that the school was crumbling financially - programs were being cut, the football team was eliminated. Yet Christian Scientists were urged to ignore the economic depression we are in and continue to throw absurd amounts of money at the school, keep buying those Luis Vaton bags and look away as our homes go into foreclosure. Principia is disintegrating, and it is taking our families with it. What will it take for the Christian Science church to wake up and quit plummeting its members into destruction??
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:53 AM
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most of whom seem undernourished, unkempt, and slightly less joyful. I'm sure they're delightful children, but it disheartens me to see them walking around in clothes with holes, unwashed hair, untreated vision problems, etc. when (and when I began noticing this I was extremely horrified) their mothers are walking campus with Gucci sunglasses and Coach purses, or driving their state-of-the-art minivans while their children are wearing sandals in the winter. Concerned Dad, I'm glad your daughter is receiving medical care and is living a better-grounded life than her CS classmates. I'm genuinely surprised to hear that the Prin kids appear undernourished, unkept, and have holes in their clothers. That is not characteristic of Christian Scientists I know, either at Prin or elsewhere. While it's true that CS children often suffer unintended emotional and physical neglect, my experience is that they usually look happy, healthy, and well kept unless they are suffering from an obvious physical malady. My Prin experience was at the college and many years ago, though. I haven't been back in several years. What will it take for the Christian Science church to wake up and quit plummeting its members into destruction?? The CS mindset is built around denial (although CSists would deny this...). Most of the people who "wake up" end up leaving CS.
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:29 AM
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| I have to echo Concerned Dad's laments about the CS way of raising children. My parents were members of the CS church all their lives, and my siblings and I had a very difficult time because of it. My mom witnessed her parents' deaths in a car accident when she was a child, and because of the CS stance of "denial," she was never given the opportunity to seek therapy to get her beyond that. As a result, she never matured beyond 8 years old. I started to see that my mom and her CS circle had the mentality that they would provide for themselves, and leave the children to raise ourselves. Surely everyone could see that we were floundering because of my mother's mental defficiencies, but nobody helped us out. She died of cancer when I was a teenager, and my siblings and I were again not concidered with regard to our emotional problems. I left Prin and the CS church as soon as I was on my own. I'm a pediatrician now, and the black sheep of the family. My brother and sister, however, attended Prin through college, and are now both morbidly obese. I don't think my brother will see next Christmas, and my sister's finances have crumbled so badly that she is now crashing on my couch. Yet my sister still wants to have children, and I see her maintaining the mentality that my mother and the other adults involved in my growing-up years had maintained: her money, her care and her consideration serves herself first, and any children she brings in will have to take care of themselves. It is horrible - especially when Christian Scientists are supposed to be non-materialistic.
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:09 AM
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Ruffian,
It is horrible - especially when Christian Scientists are supposed to be non-materialistic.
My first internal reaction to Concerned Dad's comment regarding the condition of Prin students' clothing was that I've seen such on college campuses since before I was in college. College kids have different priorities and sometimes dressing down is a badge of honor. The report of joyless students, however, is concerning and surprising. The practice of denial in Christian Science does produce an artificial outward joy.
The materialism of Christian Scientists has always puzzled me. In my experience, this was particularly evident among Prin families. As Prin is a private college with a unique, elite mission, however, perhaps that shouldn't be that surprising.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:25 PM
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Ruffian, I take issue with your calling yourself
the black sheep of the fami
Nothing dark about you here! If I may offer a suggestion, your hosting your sister gives you certain rights and privileges. You might tell her that her continued enjoyment of your hospitality will require her to conform to certain house rules, which could include matters of hygiene, financial oversight and participation, nutirition and some amount of excerciise. My young-adult son lives with me, on the cheap, but he has to contribute a certain percentage of his pay, do his laundry & household chores, cover his other expenses, attend church twice a week with us (or engage in an appropriate substitute Christian activity), maintain an approved moral lifestyle, and so on.
I see it as necessary for both family and his own well-being. Not to do so would be a financial, emotional, and spiritual drain.
What you report about Prin is disconcerting. Even allowing for student life-style issues, it does not speak well of the Prin environment. Are you sure it's an appropriate place for your daughter? My younger son is applying to Grove City College in Pennsylvania. It's a non-denominational Christian college, fully accredited and academically respected. It may be a good compromise. Check it out.
My brother went to Prin and before that, Daycroft School in Stamford (later relocated in Greenwich) Connecticut. As Daycroft hit the skids, it was not so much a school "for Christian Scientists," as it was "a school for Christian Science youth," and finally, "a school for the children of Christian Scientists." The same slide in religious standards and identity may be taking place at Prin.
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:27 PM
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Oh--a last thought, Ruffian, which I've mentioned on other posts, but is worth adding here:
Christian Scientists' denial of materiality has never prevented them from enjoying the benefits of materialism!!
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:04 PM
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To Concerned Dad,
What age is your daughter? Is she at the Middle or Upper School, or at the College?
My cousins went to the Middle and Upper schools, and I went to the college. We tended to be better dressed than at other colleges (the "private school" thing), but that was 30 years ago. We were young enough that our health was glowingly youthful, most of us not yet affected by the neglect of good health practices.
I was lucky, too. My mother is a Presbyterian, and she taught us good nutrition, health practices, and regular dental care at least -- in our early years we were immunized, etc., until my father's family put a stop to that. In any case, your concern is warranted -- I will never forget the fact that three people died during the measles epidemic, and with even barely competent nursing, certainly no reasonably healthy college aged student would die of measles, so the nursing must have been quite INcompetent. I know there are members on this list who were at the college during those times, so maybe they can comment.
Also, now that I am in my 50's, I note with dismay that many of the people I went to college with are now deceased. This is hardly scientific, but it seems like a disproportionate number of people I knew at Prin did not live past 50. I say that because I dated about 6 or 7 different young men while I was a student at the college, and at least 5 of them died by the age of 50. My cousin, who is the same age as I am, went through the middle and upper schools, and is now a coach at the Upper School. He must weigh 400 pounds, judging by the most recent photo I saw of him in the Purpose (alumni magazine). He doesn't speak to me any more since I left the church, so the Purpose is how I keep up with what he's doing. Not that I don't have my fair share of middle aged spread, but not to the extent of morbid obesity, thankfully.
Like Linda, I was blissfully unaware of these problems and quite happy at Principia, and it's not that I think it's a death trap. On the other hand, they are ill-equipped to handle a medical emergency, and they neither teach nor mentor good health practices, aside from general cleanliness. I remember watching a classmate sit outside the Pub one spring day with her tray, and deliberately letting all the wasps attracted to her food crawl all over her face and body. She said she was seeing them as God's children. It fortunately turned out that she wasn't allergic, or she wouldn't have survived, I am sure. Principia College is a long way from any ER, even if anyone had thought to take her there if she'd started to react to the stings.
Ann
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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:29 PM
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| Hey everybody, Thanks for the posts. Makes me feel alot better to not be alone in my concerns. And I should mention that though I agree that Christian Scientists and their children show an outward, "put-on" appearance of joy, it is obvious to me that there is some spark missing behind their eyes. I understand that you can't truly feel joy unless you've also acknowledged pain. Ann, I'd love to disclose my daughter's age group, but to protect her identity I'd like to keep that confidential. I will say, though, that she is not at the college. I wish I could pull her out of Prin, but her mother and I are divorced. The divorce was pretty emotionally bloody for everybody involved, and I had to fight against a lot of alienation precisely as a result of the Christian Science mentality. I never wanted to believe it when I was warned of CS's "cultish" posture, but when I could no longer watch my child go un-immunized, or stand by as her mother refused to let me take my baby to the hospital when she'd broken her arm, my ex and her CS circle launched such violent legal moves to separate me from my daughter's life that I nearly lost her forever. My choice to leave the marriage was difficult, but the ropes I had to climb to save my children from losing all communication with me because I was no longer compliant with the teachings of the church were even harder. My ex and her family nearly crushed me financially and destroyed my daughter's financial future. In order to stop the carnage I had to agree to allow her to attend Prin for a number of years. I just wish there were something we could do to help the kids who are being neglected, emotionally and otherwise. Though, as I said, I am not terribly devout, I believe strongly in God and can't stop praying that somehow He will knock some sense into the CS church, and force it to guide its "believers" to a healthier way.
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Posted Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:29 AM
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| I've seen other such reports but this one is recent. It would seem that other schools are having problems as well. http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story/1578506.html Loretto High School to closePublished: Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2009 | Page 1A "After educating three generations of students, Loretto High School is closing its doors, ending more than 50 years as one of the region's premier Catholic schools."
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Posted Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:45 PM
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| Can't compare CS decline to changes in Catholic membership, school closings, etc. You are making an apples to oranges comparison. U of ND (one of many well known US Catholic universities) not closing any time soon, Principia, probably in the next few decade(s).
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