 Posted Friday, September 25, 2009 2:56 PM
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Etta,
I have hope for you. I've seen dedicated CS'ers touch this site and then go away. I know my inlaws, dedicated CSers. This is how they would respond. They are steadfast in their beliefs and would see no need to engage in this website.
I am certain you have doubts, actions speak louder than words. You are here with so many postings so often for a reason. Your eyes won't be opened right now but some day they will be.
I wish you all the best in your journey out of CS. It's coming.
Helping One Out
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Posted Friday, September 25, 2009 3:38 PM
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| Aww thx for your wishes good luck out of error it is coming your way. I know it is easier to give into material things but it is obvious that C.S has touched you in one way or the other and when it comes time you might just find yourself relying on it. GL. Divine love always has meet and always will meet evry human need/MBE
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:02 AM
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To be fair, we cannot say with any degree of accuracy that Mary Baker Eddy was a morphine addict at her death or at any point in her life.
It is an interesting side-note, and often missed by Christian Scientists that Eddy did provide for the use of temporary means to aid in healing:
Mere Kat,
I have to take issue with you that Mrs. Eddy ultimately approved of utilizing temporary means to battle mortal mind via sickness. For example, what's your take on the following passage?
..."The rule and its perfection of operation never vary in Science. If you fail to succeed in any case, it is because you have not demonstrated the life of Christ, Truth, more in your own life,--because you have not obeyed the rule and proved the Principle of divine Science...." (Science and Health, page 249)
CS teaches that if its members seek medical care, they do it for one reason, accordingly to Mrs. Eddy's own words above. That is because you (the CSist) have failed-blown it, big time! 'No question about it! In short, you have failed as a Christian Scientist, and you can't get around it. You are stuck with this failure, and all the emotional, psychological and spiritual baggage that goes with it.
It is because of MBE's teaching above that TMC required, until just a few years ago, that those signing the application for membership had to say that they would abstain from seeking medical care. It is because of this that "Radical Reliance" became (or is) CS culture. It is because of this that we have all the tragic postings on this website of this loss or suffering of loved ones (dozens if not hundreds). Clearly, seeking medical care under some circumstances is not the norm, according to MBE's teachings, it is an aberration!!
John
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:12 AM
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| Lots of people try medical healing until they find the power of prayer. I did not know about C.S when I was a kid and my parents would run to the doctor with every cold. But now that is see that meds can do nothing that God himself can do I would never for anything recive temporary care. So it took her to the end to come to this divine being. She still went clear minded and in gods way. I for one will never rely on doctors for mine or my children. I have found a more permanent solution. It is often that medical procedures don't work and the family turns to prayer then the patient gets better and the credit goes to the med. How do you know it was the meds and not a silent prayer that was said. We belive god is all that is good and chose to give him full credit.
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:38 AM
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| Hi John, It's good to hear from you again. Your quote from S&H is one of Eddy's absolute statements on the principle of Christian Science. It represents an ultimate position, the high ideal that she wanted her followers to aim for and ultimately reach. Afterall, "demonstrating the life of Christ" is the highest ideal possible! The problem is, she did not reach this ultimate position herself. She failed to succeed in her last case; she did not die in perfect health, peacefully in her sleep at the end of her days. No, Christian Science failed to heal her of her final illness. In the end, she was gravely ill, and succumbed to the illness. Of course, Mary Baker Eddy knew there would be some problems with her theories from the start. While there were some healings, there were plenty of cases where the healing just did not happen. How could this be? How could this perfect system of healing fail? She knew she had to provide some explanation for these apparent failures. And so, she included much more relative statements of her theories throughout S&H.
Emerge gently from matter into Spirit. Think not to thwart the spiritual ultimate of all things, but come naturally into Spirit through better health and morals and as the result of spiritual growth. S&H 485:14 The divine demand, "Be ye therefore perfect," is scientific, and the human footsteps leading to perfection are indispensable. . . . . God requires perfection, but not until the battle between Spirit and flesh is fought and the victory won. S&H 253:32+ Individual Christian Scientists are aware of these cautions, but many want to believe they are more advanced in their study of CS and tend to emphasize the more absolute statements in their practice. CS teaches that if its members seek medical care, they do it for one reason, accordingly to Mrs. Eddy's own words above. That is because you (the CSist) have failed-blown it, big time! 'No question about it! In short, you have failed as a Christian Scientist, and you can't get around it. You are stuck with this failure, and all the emotional, psychological and spiritual baggage that goes with it. I agree that this is what has come out of CS culture. This is what alot of Christian Scientists think, though some are now rejecting this extreme position.
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:39 AM
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Proud,
Health care is not an absolute choice between medicine and God. It is possible to have both in your life.
I have lived long enough to have known many Christian Scientists who spent their last hours in hospitals, too far gone for medical science to save them. And you can't remain clear-minded when you are in that much pain.
Most people don't run to the doctor with every cold; most people can't afford to run to the doctor with every complaint. For me and mine, I prefer to pray AND go to the doctor when necessary. That way all my health care needs are met at once.
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:00 PM
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| Why pray if you don't belive your needs will be meet by him? Just to ask for help then turn away from it? It is very hard sometimes for people to accept the most amazing gift of all. perfection the imagie of God.
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:43 PM
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C.sand proud (9/26/2009)
Why pray if you don't belive your needs will be meet by him? Just to ask for help then turn away from it? It is very hard sometimes for people to accept the most amazing gift of all. perfection the imagie of God. Etta,
And where do you get the idea that I don't believe my needs will be met through prayer? Where does that come from? It is very arrogant of you to think that your way is the only way, --that God only listens to Christian Scientists or those who refuse medical treatment.
I am very disappointed in the tone of many of your posts here. I don't know what your intentions are, but you are not presenting CS in a very favorable light. Spend a little more time on this week's Bible Lesson, and with your dear family, and maybe a little less on this board, and you may come to better understand what I am talking about. All the best,
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:12 PM
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| CS and proud: You wrote "I for one will never rely on doctors for mine or my children. " Don't be too hasty to make a statement like the one above.My brother shot himself in the head. When he was taken to the hospital the practitioner wouldn't pray for him and no one from our CS church called. I went to Sunday School the next day and no one comforted me in any way. I was 11 years old and had lost my mom 2 years before because of her "radical reliance". Are you telling me that if one of your children was shot you would sit there and "know the truth"? I know that my experience was not at all unique. I have seen people suffer and die because of their denial of the truth about their injury or illness. This is a sore subject for me!
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:38 PM
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| I would know the truth. Gods will is his will. i do feel bad for your lose. I lost a brother when I was young to but he did recive medical care and we lost him anyhow. I was 11 years old. I know it can be a painful thing to the mortal world but it still has nothing to do with the spirit.
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