 Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:47 PM
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Mere Kat (9/26/2009)
C.sand proud (9/26/2009)
Why pray if you don't belive your needs will be meet by him? Just to ask for help then turn away from it? It is very hard sometimes for people to accept the most amazing gift of all. perfection the imagie of God. Etta,
And where do you get the idea that I don't believe my needs will be met through prayer? Where does that come from? It is very arrogant of you to think that your way is the only way, --that God only listens to Christian Scientists or those who refuse medical treatment.
I am very disappointed in the tone of many of your posts here. I don't know what your intentions are, but you are not presenting CS in a very favorable light. Spend a little more time on this week's Bible Lesson, and with your dear family, and maybe a little less on this board, and you may come to better understand what I am talking about. All the best, I pray then go to the doctor. What do you pray for then?health? no your relying on a doctor for that. I Know god heals everyone not just C.S but I am willing to give him full credit instead of some doctor who bases his opinon on books and worst case senerios. I have enjoyed this weeks lesson very much by the way. I run a company from home so I find I have plenty of time to play on my laptop. wow your here a lot to. I am very dissappointed that since i don't agree with you It seems so bother you. You are not presenting christianity in a very good light. What tone might that be? The one where I express my thoughts same as everyone elses? I don't need a understanding of what your talking about.....lol. you are far from god and It is understanding of him not YOU that I seek.
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Posted Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:14 PM
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| Dear Etta, I pray before I go to the doctor, I pray when I am at the doctor's office, and I pray when I leave the doctor's office. I am praying right now. Do you really want to know what I pray for? --- everything. I have a book I think you should read. It is titled, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy. Start with Chapter 1: Prayer. That should give you a pretty good answer to your question about what I pray for. Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 1 Thes 5:16-18
As for my not presenting Christianity in a very good light, I am sorry; please tell me what I am doing wrong. I am willing to change. It's true, I am a sinner, but I am trying to be a good Christian. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. What is it you think I need to do next. Do you really think I am that far from God?
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Posted Monday, September 28, 2009 11:00 AM
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| I love how even though you all bad mouth C.S you find yourself referring to S&H in every other post. I guess the lord still shows you the right in all situations. No I did not mean what do you pray for meanly, I was wondering if you pray for health at the doctors office or do you pray the doctor is competent or what is it you pray, I guess it is really none of my business though, just curious. If you pray for heath how do you know that it was the medication and not the prayer? I would be worried I missed something miraculous
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Posted Monday, September 28, 2009 11:45 AM
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Anonymous (9/28/2009)
........No I did not mean what do you pray for meanly, I was wondering if you pray for health at the doctors office or do you pray the doctor is competent or what is it you pray, I guess it is really none of my business though, just curious. If you pray for heath how do you know that it was the medication and not the prayer? I would be worried I missed something miraculousHi Etta, You are quite right. Prayer is and should be a private conversation between me and God, just as Jesus directed us. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly Matt: 6:6 I do not ask for things in the way you posed your question. You don't need to be so worried about missing God's miracles. I shouldn't have to tell you this, but praising God is a form of prayer, and that is the basis of all my praying. You don't need to pray for health or the doctor's competency; God the all-knowing already knows about your needs.
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Posted Monday, September 28, 2009 12:00 PM
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Anonymous (9/28/2009)
I love how even though you all bad mouth C.S you find yourself referring to S&H in every other post. I guess the lord still shows you the right in all situations. .......Etta, You need to redirect some of that anger you are throwing at me and others here. We do not all bad mouth Christian Science --that is not the point of these forums. There are quite a few folks here who have been hurt in the practice of Christian Science. Ministering to the needs of others and pointing out the very real dangers of CS practice is not bad-mouthing. I am very careful to include only the facts in my comments about CS practice. If there is something I've said that you think is unfair or untrue about CS, please let me know. I would be more than happy to retract any false claim. If you've got the time, I invite you to read through some of my previous posts. I do not hesitate to correct false claims made by Christian Scientists or former Christian Scientists or any others. No one has a monopoly on the truth.
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Posted Monday, September 28, 2009 12:13 PM
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| Your right mere Kat your post have been wonderful and I should not group you with some of the other posters.
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Posted Friday, October 02, 2009 8:23 AM
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Dear One,
Every religion has its extremes, but am challenged to say that a religion that withholds care from some and makes people choose between - modern healthcare and practioner care - is not ok??? Why is it either or. If our God is "all in all" then he can be all in all with physician and medical assistance - wouldn't His will overcome?
There is too much evidence that it is a religion that kills and not enough of response to it from CS that is disturbing. If we were to follow this religious realtivity it would make any acts of violence done in the name of God, healing or alla, okay. It is not okay.
And, why is it that CSers just say that facts? I have been on the inside as have others and pray that you will at one day see the redemptive love of Jesus - God's flesh and blood - and of His love. As with some cults, it is not clear until it is too late. It seems cruel to say chemicalization is okay and if you get hospital treatment you would with withdraw the "divine love of CS healing." Again one / or the other just does not seem right.
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Posted Friday, October 30, 2009 11:25 PM
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"Did you know A practitioner will drop your case if you do seek medical care, even in life threatening situations, such as car accidents, c-sections, burst appendix. They will do it lovingly and probley send you a bill to boot. That dosent sound like love to me. "
What you say is not necessarily so; it depends on the practitioner you choose and the circumstances of the particular situation. Practitioners are people, too, and have a wide range of personalities. In fact, the entire trouble of so many disenchanted, here, appears to be one form or another of "personal sense" making mischief. I would hope that those who have felt let down by people may remember from the Bible that God is a "very present help in trouble", even if no human is around to help. S&H reminds students of Science: "If Christian Scientists ever fail to receive aid from other Scientists, — their brethren upon whom they may call, — God will still guide them into the right use of temporary and eternal means. Step by step will those who trust Him find that "God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble." (p.444) I would hope that all Christians, no matter the denomination, would find encouragement in this statement.
Interestingly, the very next S&H passage seems quite appropriate to address the overall negative tone of this site. To former Scientists, I wish you well, but would also hope that you remember the passage you may have read sometime in Sunday School: "Students are advised by the author to be charitable and kind, not only towards differing forms of religion and medicine, but to those who hold these differing opinions."
There is no healing in bitterness.
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Posted Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:16 AM
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Anonymous October 31, 2009 @ 1:25:41 AM,
Happy Reformation Day!
What you say is not necessarily so; it depends on the practitioner you choose and the circumstances of the particular situation. Practitioners are people, too, and have a wide range of personalities.
Yes, practitioners represent a range of personalities. Christian Science teachers also represent a wide range. Is there a range in what they teach regarding Christian Science practice and whether or not to accept or reject patients under medical care?
In fact, the entire trouble of so many disenchanted, here, appears to be one form or another of "personal sense" making mischief.
You don't understand. Oh sorry, that's the standard Christian Science response to why class-taught Christian Scientists would leave the movement after decades of study and accepted practice of Christian Science. Can't recall having seen the personal sense explanation much, if at all.
I'll let others address this if they choose, however, I disagree that it was personal sense that disenchanted me about Christian Science to the point that I left. As you read many of my posts, you may find that I make a clear differentiation between the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy and the culture of Christian Science. It was not the culture of Christian Science that I abandoned though there were aspects that disgusted me.
If you choose to categorize my testimony as "personal sense", perhaps you have a case to be made. It is personal and sensible, at least to me.
As I would study the Lesson-Sermons, I would wonder about the parts we skipped, why we skipped them, and the impact the skipped parts had on the meaning. I don't recall if it was the result of a question I asked in Christian Science class, but my teacher addressed the skipped parts by encouraging us to read the full context and to read the Bible outside the limits of the Lesson-Sermons. Being the obedient student, I did just that and began to discover that the cherry-picked use of the Bible was not supported by the full context. At that point, I wasn't even considering the grammatical, cultural, and historical contexts. The words of the Bible proved far more powerful, practical, and consistent than anything offered by Mary Baker Eddy. I also found that the teachings of Christian Science were not consistent with the Bible. I began to find that rather than cherry-picking the Bible, I had to cherry-pick Christian Science.
I've been participating in these forums for a bit over seven years. In all my discussions with Christian Scientists, I encourage them to use only the Bible in proving their arguments and contributing to the discussions. After all, Christian Science is supposedly based upon the Bible and it's a source we theoritically share. To date, none have done so. In fact, I'm challenged to think of even one instance where a Christian Scientist put forth any reasonable effort to do so. There have been those who cherry-picked, but whose arguments, like those of Mary Baker Eddy, quickly dissolved.
Among Christian Scientists, there should be some Bible scholars. My Biblical scholarship is still very rudimentary. Like Mary Baker Eddy, I cannot read the ancient languages that would enable me to be closer to the original, infallible texts. Unlike Mary Baker Eddy, however, I do have access to another hundred years of Bible scholarship including modern, objective (to the point possible) translations based upon a variety of codices. Mary Baker Eddy teaches that the Bible contains more errors than 10 times the number of verses. That's more than 280 errors per chapter. If true, not a very solid foundation. I believe that the Bible is the word of God, that God is perfect, and that His word is perfect (in the original texts). I also believe that certain modern translations represent the original texts well enough that we do not require rewriting the Bible or providing a "key" as taught by Mary Baker Eddy.
Getting over the hump that the Bible requires human intervention for understanding is an amazing grace. As a Christian Scientist, I loved the melody of John Newton's hymn, but hated the words. I wasn't a wretch, was never lost, was never blind. Yes, I am a wretch, was lost, was blind. God's word is so sweet a sound.
Do Go Be Man
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Psalm 46 (English Standard Version)
God Is Our Fortress
To the choirmaster. Of the Sons of Korah. According to Alamoth. A Song.
God is our refuge and strength,
[test]a very present help in trouble.
Therefore we will not fear though the earth gives way,
though the mountains be moved into the heart of the sea,
though its waters roar and foam,
though the mountains tremble at its swelling.
Selah
There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God,
the holy habitation of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved;
God will help her when morning dawns.
The nations rage, the kingdoms totter;
he utters his voice, the earth melts.
The LORD of hosts is with us;
the God of Jacob is our fortress.
Selah
Come, behold the works of the LORD,
how he has brought desolations on the earth.
He makes wars cease to the end of the earth;
he breaks the bow and shatters the spear;
he burns the chariots with fire.
"Be still, and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth!"
The LORD of hosts is with us;
the God of Jacob is our fortress.
Selah
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Posted Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:36 AM
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Recent Anonymous,
What is your take on this manual passage:
Article X - DEBATING IN PUBLIC
No Unauthorized Debating. SECTION 1. A
member of this Church shall not debate on Chris-
tian Science in public debating assemblies, with-
out the consent of the Board of Directors.
Rereading the manual this morning, I can find a few more you are violating.
Do you not think TMC monitors this site?
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