 Posted Monday, January 11, 2010 11:25 AM
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”Oh my. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did you not intend to imply that I had done no research of medical care?
Not at all.
“Please accept my apologies for finding your surprise somewhat disingenuous.”
I can only write them, I can’t read them to you.
“Can you document any living Christian Scientists able to heal as quickly, effectively, and readily as Jesus?”
Did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?
”Surely you're not suggesting that snipping phrases out of context to the exclusion the full context and intent is a valid approach to Bible study”
Bible study? I certainly hope you don’t think that my using quotes from the Bible is equal to thorough Bible study. I’ll gladly and humbly defer to your and Zorean’s expertise in that regard. I don’t even pretend to be a Bible scholar. But I can say with a certainty that my life brings the Bible into sharper focus and it does this in bits and pieces, i.e. words and phrases from the Bible. Then when I return to a more thorough research I can more fully understand what the Bible is teaching, and not what religious dogma teaches.
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Posted Monday, January 11, 2010 4:04 PM
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| Anonymous January 11, 2010 @ 1:25:36 PM, Over the years, I've engaged in discussions with Christian Scientists and others that ultimately go no where and develop a limited interest. One of the typical indicators that a discussion has outlived its usefulness is when the poster ignores direct questions such as I've posed to you. Assuming that I'm merely offering rhetorical questions to be answered by other questions is just not productive. Putting words in my mouth is even less productive. Please let me know if you find anything Biblically based you're like to pursue. Do Go Be Man
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Posted Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 PM
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Perhaps I should just repost what you said back to you.
Heck, not answering questions is life on the farm around these parts. Here's some I think you may have missed.
BTW, I've asked the last one before and it wasn't answered then either. So, you can start there if you're so moved.
What is it about "the free exercise of Christianity" that you don't understand?
Is the effect of his prayer based on his expectations or ours?
If ours how much time is an acceptable amount to you to increase our expectations, and serve him?
Have you ever had a physical problem and wished you could pick up a phone and call Jesus to pray for you?
Well, he already has. Before we call, he has answered.
How much time should we spend discovering his answer?
Did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?
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Posted Monday, January 11, 2010 7:59 PM
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From Anonymous 17416
Your reply to Do_Go_Be_Man
"Did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?"
Your statement makes no sense other than you don't think that Jesus could heal everyone he wanted to heal.
Jan
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Posted Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:18 AM
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“Your reply to Do_Go_Be_Man
"Did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?"
Your statement makes no sense other than you don't think that Jesus could heal everyone he wanted to heal.”
Swwwiiiiiiiing and a miss Jan.
Here’s what Do Go Be Man said to me.
”Please let me know if you find anything Biblically based you're like to pursue.”
Pursuant to his request I asked this question. Re-asked actually.
Relying only on the word of the Bible the answer to this question requires only a “Yes” or “No”.
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Posted Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:52 AM
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To anonymous 17420
I was making a comment in regard to post 17416.
I did not make a swing at you or anyone, I am really not a swinger - found out yesterday when my daughter called me a prude.
As it is, I was trying to make out why you would make such a reply/question/statement to Do Go Be Man's question of “Can you document any living Christian Scientists able to heal as quickly, effectively, and readily as Jesus?” Underneath you write "Did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?"
I read this like saying "Well, no, I can't document any living Christian Scientists able to heal as quickly, effectively, and readily as Jesus but what's the difference, did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?" As I have heard and read CS's opinions in regard to the subject of effective healing from Jesus - some CS's formed the opinions that Jesus could not heal everyone readily and it appeared to me that was the way you thought. Do Go Be Man asked you a question and you reply with a question. Ok..........fill me in.
This is a forum, where people just put a brief outline of their thoughts in, it is hard to continually express and talk about the years of experience and so often offence is taken where it should not be. Reminds me of road rage.
Jan
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Posted Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:59 AM
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Going back through this thread in order to collect questions posed by Anonymous 1/11/2010 @7:24:11 PM in order.
What is it about "the free exercise of Christianity" that you don't understand?
I responded before you asked. Please refer to the post immediately before the question. Was I somehow unclear when I said, "I do not advocate prohibiting the free exercise of Christian Science except as it endangers children and others, especially when practiced as a New Age cult counter to the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy. If an adult believes they have an informed understanding of Christian Science and choose to practice it, they should be allowed to do so." Do you advocate allowing anyone to do anything in the name of religion? Should temple or child prostitution, plural marriage, drug use, and human sacrifice be allowed under the First Amendment? Perhaps you can make a case for that, I can't.
Not biblically valid? What’s that? Not official? Is your religion the official biblical religion? The legal religion of the Bible?
If you believe something has been misstated regarding Biblical validity, you're welcome to make your point. Perhaps you have a useful perspective to share, however, please cite the basis to help us understand. If you do not believe in the Bible, then please just say so and move on. Making the case for the invalidity of the Bible should be a topic all unto itself.
Or medical care. Done any research on that?
Please refer to the response immediately following the question.
How long did Jesus instruct his disciples to qualify them to take patients? How long did the disciples teach their students? How long did Paul and Silas teach their pupils? Was the eunuch qualified after his brief meeting with Peter?
In the response immediately following the question, I acknowledged those were good questions in my response immediately following the question. I suggested providing a Biblical response would be useful.
How much time should we spend discovering his answer?
I also responded to this question in my response immediately following the question.
Huh? What ever are you talking about? I clearly said, “If you have done any research at all you would very easily find out that medical care physically harms a large number of children each year.” Now, I realize that “If” is not a big word but in this instance it’s pretty significant.
By putting words in my mouth, you seem to express an insistence regarding a possible desire to represent things about me of which you know nothing. You seem convinced and want others to be so convinced that I have done no medical research. As I said, I have done research and urge all consumers of medical care to apply "caveat emptor" and good consumerism to choosing medical care. It's at least as important as researching new appliances. :-)
How silly. Just exactly how and when do we follow Jesus commandments and actually trust him as our Savior?
Answered that.
Did Jesus heal everyone he prayed for?
Ah, grasshopper, I see trick question. Jesus healed everyone for whom He prayed living during His time on earth. Are you referring to those in what was then the future for whom He prayed? So far, yes. He has a plan for each of us and it's executing according to His schedule. I love it when a plan comes together.
Bible study?
Addressed in an earlier post.
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:26 AM
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“Ah, grasshopper, I see trick question. Jesus healed everyone for whom He prayed living during His time on earth. Are you referring to those in what was then the future for whom He prayed? So far, yes. He has a plan for each of us and it's executing according to His schedule. I love it when a plan comes together.”
Why would you say such a thing? I asked a Bible based question.
I know you’re familiar with Matthew 13: 58 and Mark 8: 23-25
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Posted Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:39 AM
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Anonymous January 14, 2010 @ 1:26:51 PM,
Why would you say such a thing? I asked a Bible based question.
I know you’re familiar with Matthew 13: 58 and Mark 8: 23-25
Where in Matthew 13 does it say that Jesus attempted to heal anyone? "...(H)e taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, 'Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works?'"
Doesn't Mark 8:25 say, "Jesus laid his hands on his eyes again; and he opened his eyes, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly"? Sounds to me like Jesus healed.
What did I miss?
Do Go Be Man
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Posted Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:50 PM
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This is what I’m speaking of:
What do you make of this?
Matthew 13:58 (King James Version)
“And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.”
And here in Mark it says Jesus had to pray twice to heal. If the best healer who ever lived prayer's was not 100% effective why are folks here so hard on folks who are trying to live up to his commands now-a-days?
Mark 8:25 (King James Version)
“After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.”
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