 Posted Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
|
|
|
|
| Do any of the posters here know of well-documented cases of Christians raising the dead? Of course, a scientific materialist would describe accounts of raising the dead as "anecdotal" unless they could be documented with medical data, etc. So I am interested in cases, if any, with that kind of documentation, but also in cases that would be considered anecdotal but still attested to by trustworthy witnesses.
|
|
|
Posted Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:34 PM
|
|
|
|
Anonymous Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM,
Do any of the posters here know of well-documented cases of Christians raising the dead?
I assume that you're looking for something more recent than Acts 9:36-43. 
Do Go Be Man
<><
|
|
|
Posted Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:24 PM
|
|
|
|
Do Go Be Man,
Definitely!
I am interested in cases within the lifetimes of the posters on this forum.
|
|
|
Posted Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:53 PM
|
|
|
|
"Do any of the posters here know of well-documented cases of Christians raising the dead?"
Well, Mrs. Eddy brought Calvin Frye back to life at least three times. During one "resurrection", Mrs. Eddy stated these following words to Calvin:
"Calvin, wake up and be the man God made! You are not dead and you know it! Calvin, all is Life! How often have you proved there is no death. Calvin, all is Life! Life! Undying Life. Say, 'God is my Life'....Declare: 'I can help myself'....Rouse yourself. Shake off this nightmare of false, human belief and of fear. Don't let error mesmerize you into a state of believing Satan's lies about man made in God's image and likeness! Your lifework is not done. I need you. Our great blessed Cause needs you. Life is as deathless as God Himself for Life is God. Calvin, there is no death, for the Christian. Christ Jesus has abolished death, and this treatment is not reversed by error."
After after an hour or two, Calvin fully recovered.
Peter Frye
|
|
|
Posted Friday, October 08, 2004 9:22 AM
|
|
|
|
Wow! She sure said a mouthful!
All Jesus had to say was, "Lazersus! Come forth!"
Is there any evidence from other than Christian Science literature of this "raising from the dead"?
Bill Webb
|
|
|
Posted Friday, October 08, 2004 9:33 AM
|
|
|
|
Peter Frye,
Wow! I didn't realize that Calvin Frye was within your lifetime. I thought you were much younger.
What documentation exists for MBE raising Calvin three times?
Do Go Be Man
<><
|
|
|
Posted Friday, October 08, 2004 10:42 AM
|
|
|
|
While I am not Peter Frye, I thought I would post something about documentation for Mrs. Eddy raising Calvin Frye from the dead.
The primary source documents for this are located in The Mary Baker Eddy Library in Boston. I have gone to the Library and read a number of these documents which are in the form of letters, reminiscences, and diary entries, written by eyewitness to the events.. In my opinion, the most inspiring, interesting, and detailed of them is George Kinter's acccount. Kinter was one of Mrs. Eddy's secretaries when she lived at Pleasant View in Concord, New Hampshire. On this occasion, he was the one who found Calvin's body stone cold and rigid with no discernable breath or pulse.
My opinion is that thee instances of Mrs. Eddy apparently raising Calvin Frye from the dead are well documented from accounts of those who were eyewitnesses. There may have been a couple of other instances, as there are some more fragmentary accounts that seem to allude to a couple of times other than the main three. Since these situations with Frye occurred in Mary Baker Eddy's residence, the eyewitnesses to the events were members of Mrs. Eddy's staff, and the accounts of those staff members are what we have to go on.
Now, a scientific materialist would dismiss all of these accounts concerning Frye as mere "anedotal evidence," since there were no medical professionals on hand to certify that death had really occurred, etc. Indeed, they would surely dismiss accounts of Jesus or early Christians raising people from the dead as an andecdotal accounts as well, for the same reason.
|
|
|
Posted Friday, October 08, 2004 11:16 AM
|
|
|
|
If you do a search on yahoo, "peolpe raised from the dead" you get a lot of hits. I bet there are some events that have some merit, many that are just strange. But one thing is for sure, in eastern countries, they experience much more of the "paranormal" then we do in the west.
How about this thought. That doctors have an amazing record of raising people from clinically dead, all documented. Many books have writen on the life after death experiences of those that have died and come back, with the help of a doctor. Much more impressive then one instance of a Calvin Frye.
Cheers!
|
|
|
Posted Friday, October 08, 2004 11:24 AM
|
|
|
|
As Anonymous mentioned, the account I gave came from George Kinter and I agree it is the most inspiring, interesting, and detailed of them. And as she/he also mentioned the only eyewitness accounts were from Mrs. Eddy's staff with no doctor's "professional" opinion. But what's the difference between Mrs. Eddy's accounts and Jesus' accounts. For all we know Lazarus was just in a deep deep and while he was in the tomb (deleted by Moderator). Maybe the little girl that Jesus said was only sleeping, was actually only sleeping and the professions who said she was dead didn't know what they were talking about. Maybe the man that died on the cross was only Jesus' lookalike or the accounts from the disciples that Jesus came back after three days were false. There is no way of proving these events. All we have is faith and I have faith that Mrs. Eddy did do these things just as Jesus said we all can do the things he did.
Bill Webb,
"All Jesus had to say was, "Lazersus! Come forth!""
Well, one other incident where Mrs. Eddy rose Calvin from the dead, Mrs. Eddy was downstairs, Calvin was upstairs. She called him to come up, he tripped and fell breaking his neck. Mrs. Eddy (who was in another room) continued to call from Calvin and a minute later he got up, brushed himself off, and went to help Mrs. Eddy.
Peter Frye
|
|
|
Posted Friday, October 08, 2004 11:30 AM
|
|
|
|
One reason I am interested in contemporary accounts of Christians raising people from the dead is that this was direct command that Jesus gave in addition to healing the sick, etc. Certainly one hears of Christians healing the sick, even in modern times, but accounts of raising the dead seem to me to be much rarer, and perhaps not taken as seriously as the spiritual healing of disease is.
My feeling is that Mrs. Eddy hoped that over time that Christian Scientists would do increasingly better healing work and I would imagine that her hope would have included that there would be more instances of raising of the dead. I certainly don't seem to hear much along these lines among Christian Scientists. I have asked a couple of Christian Science nurses if they know of instances of raising the dead in the practice of Christian Science, and they have said that in their practices as nurses they have seen or known of cases in which a patient seemed to have died, but then the practitioner on the case was called and the patient began breathing again. But the nurses indicated that in the cases they knew about the patients had not been "dead" for a long time.
But I am interested in any and all accounts of raising of the dead within a Christian context. Are raisings of the dead occurring today in the congregations of local Presbyterian, Methodist, Evangelical, Pentecostal churches, etc.?
|
|
|
|